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Steve “Debate me, bro” Kirsch is at it again with SIDS and The Great Autism Debate

Tech bro turned COVID-19 conspiracy theorist and antivaxxer is back spreading more misinformation about vaccines and SIDS.

As I try to ramp up to normal posting again next week, I couldn’t help but note a rather amusing “offer” from tech bro turned rabid antivaxxer and COVID-19 conspiracy theorist, Steve Kirsch. When last we left him, he was spreading one of the less believable and verifiable pieces of “evidence” that vaccines supposedly cause Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS), basically an anecdote in which a police officer claimed to have investigated SIDS cases and found that they always happen after vaccination. As I discussed at the time, though, the police officer wouldn’t give her name, and the numbers just made no sense. If her estimate of the number of cases she’s investigated were true, the CDC should be in her city investigating an epidemic of SIDS, given that her story, again if true, would suggest that SIDS is five- to ten-fold more prevalent there than the US average. Obviously, her story is pure nonsense (as I discussed in depth), but that never stopped Kirsch, for whom no story is too unbelievable as long as it supports his now current belief that all vaccines are deadly poison that doesn’t even protect against disease.

Here it is, over a month later, and not only is Mr. Kirsch not realizing how unbelievable the story he’s promoting is, but he’s doubling down. He now has a video with this former police officer telling her story on it:

One thing I can’t understand is this: The officer, who calls herself just “Jennifer,” won’t reveal her full name or name the city of supposedly over 300,000 people where she works is; yet she’s on multiple videos telling the same story, with Kirsch doubling down on his innumerate and statistically ignorant claim that it would be “impossible” for “Jennifer” to have observed what she observed if vaccines didn’t cause SIDS. I won’t go into the details again other than to repeat that her claim, if true, would imply a SIDS incidence manyfold higher than anywhere else in the US.

I can’t resist. Let’s do the math again. If, as “Jennifer” claims 36-48 babies a year are dying of SIDS in a city of 350,000, a comparison with known SIDS incidence is very telling. The current population of the US is around 333 million according to Wikipedia. That makes ~350K a little more than 0.1% of the population of the US. Scaling up to the population of the US, 36-48 cases of SIDS/year in a town of 350K people would translate to ~34,251 to 45,668 cases, which would be 10- to 13-fold more cases on a per-population basis than the national average!

Whenever I encounter a claim as incredible as Jennifer’s, I find that doing a little basic math often tells you how plausible the claim is. To hammer home the innumeracy in Kirsch’s and “Jennifer’s” take, let me repeat one more time: There are only around 3,800 deaths of children under the age of four (not the age of one, but ages one through four) every year in the US. (And that number is still way too high for a wealthy nation!) “Jennifer’s” claim doesn’t pass the smell test of basic plausibility just based on a back-of-the-envelope rough calculation like this. I might believe a rough estimate of two or three times the incidence of SIDS, but ten ten to thirteen times? That strains credulity. Moreover, there’s no way that public health officials would not notice such a “hot spot” of SIDS that, if you believe “Jennifer,” has been a hot spot for over seven years and probably more.

I also can’t help but point out another area of implausibility. If there truly is a SIDS “hotspot” that intense in Jennifer’s city, then it would be highly implausible that vaccines are the cause given that it’s highly unlikely that there is a huge difference in the percentage of babies receiving their regular vaccines according to the CDC schedule on time. Again, I strongly suspect that another reason she “Jennifer” won’t divulge where she supposedly investigated all of these cases is because, if she did, then she could be fact-checked. I (and others) could look up the actual state health department statistics for SIDS deaths in her city and compare them to her claims. We could contact her police department and ask how many cases of SIDS have been investigated every year for the last 5-7 years.

It’s no surprise, though, that Mr. Kirsch gobbles up these statistics credulously. It’s what he does. He then asks “Jennifer” about how she had supposedly talked to her pediatrician about her observations and whether they were possible. Tellingly, though, she also reveals that she was looking for a pediatrician who would “respect” her and her husband’s desire not to vaccinate. In other words, she and her husband were already antivax and were looking for an antivax pediatrician, making it no surprise at all that the pediatrician that she found was “not surprised at all” when told of her observations and suspicions. It was also unsurprising that this pediatrician claimed that the American Academy of Pediatrics “trains” pediatricians to gaslight patients by downplaying or covering up the supposed role of vaccines in causing SIDS, autism, and all the other horrible diseases and complication blamed on vaccines by antivaxxers. She even characterized this quack as saying multiple times, “According to the AAP I’m not supposed to say this, but I don’t lie to my patients…” followed, of course, by antivax talking points. Personally, I’d say that, if this quack is saying what “Jennifer” claims that he’s said, he’s either an ignoramus, or he’s lying to his patients.

A new element to the story has appeared, though. Jennifer claims that her husband went to a police conference regarding child protection. At the conference, supposedly the “official narrative” was that almost no death is a SIDS death and “never did the presenters say it was vaccines.” I can’t help but suggest that there’s a reason for that: It’s not vaccines. The evidence is overwhelming that, at minimum, vaccines do not increase the risk of SIDS; in fact, they might decrease it. Of course, she reported lots of “side conversations” in which detectives expressed the belief that it was vaccines causing these deaths, with Mr. Kirsch leading “Jennifer” to assert that SIDS is a false diagnosis for “vaccine injury” or “anything else.”

Yes, it’s a conspiracy theory in which vaccines are causing the mass death of children from SIDS, but “they”—the AAP, police organizations, and, apparently everyone else—are gaslighting the deaths, covering them up! After all, “Jennifer” confidently asserts that she thinks that 85% of the deaths she investigated were related to vaccines. (At least she leaves 15% that weren’t. In that, I’m thankful for small favors.) Meanwhile, Mr. Kirsch goes on about how the medical profession supposedly “writes this off” because the “ends justify the means” and then lies to parents about the causes of SIDS, autism, and the like.

I couldn’t help but think as I listened to this nonsense: Seriously, dude, what year is this? I was debunking the same nonsense about vaccines and SIDS from far less stupid antivaxxers than you 15 years ago! And, make no mistake, it is a conspiracy theory based on the unreliable anecdote of a former police officer, who was clearly antivax. It has damned near all the elements, in particular nefarious intent and the persecuted victims, namely children but also Jennifer (who, despite saying she’s hiding her identity could be clearly identified if anyone who knows her ever saw one of her videos on antivax crank sites):

Conspiracy theories

I laughed at Steve when he asked “Jennifer” why she isn’t providing her full name. To be honest, I’m rather shocked that someone hasn’t identified her before, given that she’s been all over social media on actual video! She then claims that she “doesn’t care” about being identified, which leads me to the question: Then why don’t you identify yourself? Alternatively, if you really are afraid of being identified, then why do video? The more you do video, the greater the chance that one of your videos will be seen by someone who can recognize you and identify you. She and Mr. Kirsch go on and on about what “happens” to people who tell stories like hers, and yet there she is on video. It’s almost as though she wants to have it both ways, pretending to be afraid to be identified and yet not taking any particular care not to be identified. Seriously, if I were so afraid of what “they” might do to me for speaking out about something, you can be damned sure that I would not appear on video anywhere. I might not even appear on audio, or, if I did, I would insist on having my voice altered. I would argue that “Jennifer’s” expressed “fear” is all performative, and the rubes—like Mr. Kirsch—eat it up because it follows the conspiratorial narrative.

The conspiratorial narrative goes further, as in his Substack article Mr. Kirsch claims:

Jennifer wrote me:
Standard police policy was to ask about ANY pharmaceuticals. So while no detective is given a script per se, they are trained on ANY death investigation, of any age, to ask about pharmaceuticals so I guess you’d say unwritten policy only because the official training is “leave no stone unturned “ and ask every single thing that person was doing in the moments hours days and weeks leading up to their death (if it was not an obvious cause of death)…so with a baby: “when was the last time he saw a doc? Was he healthy? any meds or shots ? What has he been eating? What kind of soap do you wash him with? Was he ever out of your care? And if so who was with him?” Would be a typical line of questioning. And my husband just reminded me that the coroner who we had to often report to was especially a stickler on everything that went into that kid food and drug wise. So we just by default always asked since odds were we’d have him answering the call and if we didn’t we’d he’d to go back and get the info for him. Now the irony in that of course is even though we got him all the info, vaccines were never the “cause of death” or even mentioned in final death reports.

I suspect that the coroner recognized antivax cranks when he saw them. Either that, or “Jennifer” is exaggerating and/or outright lying. Any or all of the preceding could be true. To bolster Jennifer’s dubious claim, hilariously, Mr. Kirsch cites…Neil Z. Miller and his study of reports to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database! I’ve already discussed how bad this study was once before; so I won’t trouble you with a detailed explanation again other than to point out yet again that truly Neil Z. Miller is The Energizer Bunny of bad vaccine science. No wonder Mr. Kirsch likes him.

Remember how I said that conspiracy theories are contradictory? First, Mr. Kirsch is trotting out “Jennifer” to demonstrate that SIDS is caused by vaccines, but that doesn’t stop him from jumping to the case of Helen Grus, an Ottawa detective who, given that COVID-19 vaccines are not recommended for infants younger than six months and the vast majority of SIDS cases occur before six months of age, is apparently trying to link COVID-19 vaccination of the mother to a spike in SIDS cases. Mr. Kirsch portrays her as a “persecuted victim,” but even the stories he cites suggest otherwise:

An Ottawa police detective who opposed the force’s COVID-19 mandates is under investigation for allegedly trying to find out if parents whose infants had suddenly died during the pandemic were vaccinated, CBC News has learned. 

The misconduct allegations against Det. Helen Grus raise questions about how police treat cases involving the most vulnerable members of society — and whether their own personal pandemic biases are influencing their work.

Grus has been suspended with pay since Feb. 4 amid an ongoing internal disciplinary investigation into how and why she was allegedly attempting to collect the information.

A constable by rank, Grus is a detective in the force’s sexual assault and child abuse unit, which investigates criminal cases that involve some of the most vulnerable victims police see.

That includes newborns and infants who die in sudden circumstances — investigations that are mandated by law.


According to multiple sources, Grus allegedly accessed Ottawa police files for which she wasn’t an investigating officer and then allegedly contacted the coroner’s office to learn the COVID-19 vaccination information of parents in those cases. 

It’s not known how many times she allegedly tried to access that information or whether she was ultimately successful in collecting it.

It’s also not clear to what end Grus was allegedly accessing the information, whether she was acting in her capacity as a police officer or whether she was acting out of personal interest.

That’s not a brave truth teller or an investigator trying to find out things “they” don’t want her to know. That’s a crank who’s a meddling busybody willing to violate privacy policy in order to further her conspiracy theory. Again, no wonder Mr. Kirsch likes her story.

In case you’re wondering what else Mr. Kirsch is up to, let’s just say that he’s still partying as though it were 1999 or, at the latest, 2009 with vaccine-autism conspiracy mongering. Right now he’s asking: Will you help sponsor “The Great Autism Debate” for just $5? It likely won’t cost you a dime! What does he mean by this question? He’s trying to get another “debate” together about vaccines and autism on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, in which the participants will split a pot:

This is a great idea with one modification: the participants split the pot (50% to each team). That way, nobody can “game” the outcome.

The idea is to start with a debate on a hugely important topic “Do vaccines cause autism?” between two highly qualified teams. 

I want to use a large donation pool to attract a team of qualified scientific challengers. The good news is that it is almost a certainty that won’t cost you a dime because even with a $1M incentive, I don’t think anyone on their side of the issue will show up.

As I’ve said before, there’s a reason why no reasonable scientist or physician is likely to show up. That’s because it’s never a good idea to debate cranks like antivaxxers, as I’ve discussed so many times before. Again, make no mistake, this would be a debate with cranks. Don’t believe me? Just look at Kirsch’s “dream team” of antivax “debaters”:

  1. James Lyons-Weiler
  2. Brian Hooker
  3. Andrew Wakefield
  4. Mark Blaxill
  5. JB Handley
  6. Tony Mawson
  7. Paul Thomas
  8. Doug Hulstedt
  9. Peter McCullough
  10. Harvey Risch
  11. Joy Garner
  12. Russell Blaylock
  13. Chris Martenson
  14. Steve Kirsch

Wow! Some of those names are some real blasts from the past (Rusell Blaylock, wow), some whom I haven’t thought of in a while, particularly J.B. Handley. I can see why Handley and Kirsch would have an affinity for each other, though. They’re both rich obnoxious business bro antivaxxers. (I wonder if Handley was interested in Kirsch’s special “investment opportunities” for his “high net worth followers.” Even though antivax is about the ideology and conspiracy theories, it is, of course, also nearly always about the grift.)

Of course, if Kirsch’s “investment opportunities” are similar in quality to his proposal to get people to give him $5 to put into a pot for a “debate” and backed by the kind of evidence he finds compelling, like Jennifer’s anecdotes, his “high net worth followers” would be well-advised to stay far away

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40 replies on “Steve “Debate me, bro” Kirsch is at it again with SIDS and The Great Autism Debate”

Have you noticed what “debating” with you is like? You repeat same thing and do not answer when somebody comments your claims. . This is not debate. Kirsch would no doubt do same thing.

You are right. Debating an antivaxxer is just the same as debating Igor or John on this blog. They get answers to their questions, but refuse to accept them and keep repeating the same arguments over and over again, without learning anything, because they don’t want to learn. They just want people to agree with them. This is not a debate.

While Kirsch’s “brand” has been irrevocably tarnished (not only by his antivax activities but also promotion of increasingly loony propositions like the pandemic didn’t exist, the Maui fires were caused by “directed energy weapons” and so on), his ability to draw attention and more importantly, cash in can’t be denied.

He’s built up a large Substack cult subscribing to his glurge; now he’s taking donations for a grand debate that’s highly unlikely to ever happen and milking the wealthier elements of his flock for investment dollars.

The end result could be a woo empire to dwarf those of Mercola and Alex Jones.*

*given what’s happened to Jones, it might be advisable for aspiring successors to tone down the level of crazy, but that risks loss of followers who require hits of increasingly potent lunacy. What to do…

What I find shocking, in addition to the the crazy numbers, is the fact that people like this take one uncorroborated tall-tale as absolute fact, with no actual evidence, etc. What is wrong with these people?

Did she study mathematics/ statistics/ reportage with Naomi Wolf?

on the lighter side:
for those who want to read X ( fka Twitter) comments without signing on with Elon:
search: @ person’s name or handle
it works most of the time- for a while it didn’t though.

Orac, a very interesting post, with many thoughts to ponder. You mention:

There are only around 3,800 deaths of children under the age of four (not the age of one, but ages one through four) every year in the US.

My understanding is that the term “SIDS” refers to sudden INFANT death syndrome, that is a “sudden” death of an infant, that is a child under one year of age. Your figure of 3,800 refers to deaths of older children aged 1-4. Whereas for understanding “SIDS” we need deaths of INFANTS aged under 1 year of age.

How many infants (age 0-1) die in the USA from all causes every year?

CDC’s report on infant (neonatal and postneonatal) reports about 6 deaths per 1,000 births on page 3 of the report (figure 1):

Another CDC report mentions 3,659,289 live births in 2021:

Applying the rate of 6 per 1,000 to 3,659,289 we get:

3,659,289/1000*6 = 21,955 infant deaths per year from ALL causes (including car crashes and what not).

Your very useful extrapolation of Kirsch’s reporter’s number 36-48 SIDS cases a year for a city of 350,000, to 34,251 to 45,668 infant deaths for the population of the USA is greater than 21,955 infant deaths, but it is not wildly different.

Infant mortality among Black people is about double the infant mortality among White people. If the city in question has more Black residents, conceivably the child mortality could be higher than the US average.

The unverified anonymous video report is not something that we should believe automatically, and I agree with you here. But the numbers reported in it are not as wildly way off as they seem.

SIDS deaths are not the same thing as all deaths. Your own first source says that SIDS, although one of the to find causes, accounts for only 7% of total infant deaths. Jennifer wasn’t claiming all infant deaths. She was claiming unexplained SIDS-like deaths. Nice try, though.

Igor’s lie took four sentences to refute this time. That is much better than his usual standard, so it was a very nice try. It may be learning…

The report you cite states that 19,928 infant deaths were reported in 2021 ( up from 2020 but with identical rates). SIDS represent 7% of infant deaths = 1,458 deaths. The calculated +34K SIDS cases would be an increase of over 2000% – something that should be considered as “wildly different”.
At a state level, it’s hard not to notice that Infant mortality in general (and SIDS in particular) does not seem to correlate with vaccination rates. Or that infant death rates have dropped in the last 30 years.
Not what I would expect if Steve’s hypothesis was correct…

Just to be clear, I am not personally convinced either way whether childhood vaccines cause SIDS. It is not my thing, there is not enough data, and I try not to get into that topic. I was just pointing out some minor flaws in the “back of the envelope” calculation that I replied to.

That said, the SIDS scandal of some years ago resulted in a lot of noise, subterfuge, the “back to sleep” campaign, which “reduced” recorded SIDS deaths but increased “other” deaths etc.

It is possible that if no one was vaccinated and we had no herd immunity, more children would die of diphtheria than are dying of SIDS currently. So I try not to get too much into these topics.

I have zero trust in authorities who approved covid vaccines, flu vaccines, maternal RSV vaccine etc. That colors my judgment.

What I do wish, however, is that large anonymized data sets could be published for public perusal, so we could find interesting associations. That is never done and I am suspicious of the reasons.


…there is not enough data…

You are at best misinformed, and at worst a liar. Professor Peter Fleming, the creator of “Back to Sleep” and perhaps the World’s foremost expert on SIDS, has investigated the question. No correlation. Vaccines are not a cause of SIDS.
PS I’m logged in under my WordPress name. I’m Julian Frost, just in case anyone thinks I’m sockpuppeting.

It is not my thing, there is not enough data

First line of bullshit igor.

That said, the SIDS scandal of some years ago resulted in a lot of noise, subterfuge, the “back to sleep” campaign, which “reduced” recorded SIDS deaths but increased “other” deaths etc.

Second line of bullshit in your post.

I have zero trust in authorities who approved covid vaccines, flu vaccines, maternal RSV vaccine etc. That colors my judgment.

That’s a combination of BS and the fact that you make up your mind based on what you think your conspiracy minded readers want to hear rather than facts. In short — you prefer lies to studied analysis.

What I do wish, however, is that large anonymized data sets could be published for public perusal, so we could find interesting associations. That is never done and I am suspicious of the reasons.

Hints of conspiracy, another thing you habitually pull off.

You’re truly a low-level piece of rotten work. It’s especially appalling that you’re now trying to build a reputation by spreading lies about the deaths of children.

“What I do wish, however, is that large anonymized data sets could be published for public perusal, so we could find interesting associations. That is never done and I am suspicious of the reasons”

A) It’s not ‘never done’. You could start by looking at OpenSafely in the UK.

B) The trouble with public perusal is that the ‘public’ includes people who wouldn’t know well designed search criteria if it stuck a finger up their bum and called them Mabel.

What is “your thing”?
And if you don’t have the evidence to support your claims – why do you make them? Do you think that making baseless statements makes you a ‘critical thinker’?
I understand that you don’t have any “trust in authorities”. As a person who claims to desire ‘truth’ – it’s hard not to feel that your not completely truthful regarding your own (lacking) knowledge of these issues. It’s clear that you want to feed peoples distrust – regardless of the health cost that your actions may have.

Let me let you in on something that every researcher knows – you never have all of the data that you want. In may cases – figuring out how to get accurate and comprehensive data is the hardest part. You may think that is a conspiracy, but anyone who’s conducted any research know that that’s what makes it interesting.

==> And if you don’t have the evidence to support your claims – why do you make them?

I only make claims supported by evidence

“I only make claims supported by evidence”

Either you’re completely unaware of the actual meaning of the word ‘evidence’ or your pants are surely on fire.

You have zero trust of reseach, this is your problenm.
Actually SIDS numbers are reduced. Explain use of scare quottes,

Orac is right about the general number of SIDS deaths being an order of magnitude lower than what these people would like to imagine it – the CDC points out sudden unexplained deaths in that age group are about 3,400 a year., and not all are SIDS.

Here are the rates generally.

Note that Jennifer herself claims that her husband learned that many deaths had some evidence of suffocation.

And if she’s well known in her community and church, why isn’t her name out there? I would expect it would be. So many red flags.

Igor, Igor, Igor!

Don’t you feel an inkling of conscience when you write- here and on Substack- about vaccines primarily to scare people away from them?
Heart issues, infant deaths, stillbirths, infertility. You insinuate that governments/ their agencies/ universities/ media are misleading the public when YOU are doing exactly that! You argue with Orac and his commenters as if you are on equal ground, when you are not.
IN ADDITION, you attract an audience that uses your venue as a gathering place to discuss/ disseminate conspiracy theories and trade natural health/ folk remedies, often for serious conditions.

Isn’t there something wrong with that entire scenario? If you pretend to be an educator, aren’t your activities the opposite of education? If you encourage readers to question authority, don’t you instead direct them towards an unquestioning acceptance of conspiracies and poorly sourced research? You don’t question alt med/ anti-vax writers or their evidence when you should.

Do you want your space to be an avenue for charlatans and their ideas to spread more easily? Don’t you feel guilty that your advice/ followers might encourage blithe disregard for reasonable actions by readers? People will not vaccinate and perhaps become ill. To follow your programming, we would have to assume that research about vaccine safety is grievously wrong- that’s all over the world, even in China and undeveloped countries- that vaccines hurt more than help and that authorities are all lying. But you’re NOT!

You have labeled me as intelligent and a decent person previously: don’t you realise that my abilities also lead me towards what I just wrote?

Igor is a lost cause. He’s decided he prefers to be seen as one of the “brave truth tellers” who sees through the worldwide conspiracies around vaccines and “population reduction” over being someone who tries to explain facts and correct the misunderstandings of others.

Why? Perhaps he likes the attention he gets from doing that. Maybe he’s actually dim enough to believe the things he says. Maybe he enjoys getting paid any amount for the stuff he says. Whatever — he’s ignored countless explanations of why his vaccine views are wrong, why [as here] his take on general health issues are wrong, and more. He’s created unbelievable stories about friends and family who were on death’s door until he provided some worthless ‘cure’ and they immediately popped up healthy as a horse. He’s told stories of people dropping dead after getting vaccinated — all BS.

He’s refused enough opportunities to learn something that we can conclude that, as I started with, he’s. lost cause. That doesn’t mean his ravings shouldn’t be addressed and corrected, but don’t expect any appeal to some mythical decency on his part has any chance of succeeding.

“Dear Igor,

After your disgusting and traitorous display of pandering to the, so called, ‘science based’ sheeple, I can no longer, in good conscience, subscribe to your blog. In the past, I have enjoyed your excoriating and deeply intellectual exposure of those who seek to deny that aliens built the Pyramids. Not to mention your logical demonstration of why dogs can’t look up at chemtrails. No longer sir. No longer.

Good day. I shall expect a refund promptly.


A. Nunnaki”

“Do you want your space to be an avenue for charlatans and their ideas to spread more easily?”

Not really what he’s after.

The goal is to emphasize Igor’s brand of ignorance, rather than boost the brands of competitors. There’s a finite number of credulous fools willing to fork over subscription dough, and in today’s economy you’ve got to fight for every dollar even when saving at Costco.

Some people here have a wrong idea that I am trying to make them like me, or trust me, or that I have something to sell, but this is not really what I am after. If you do not like me or do not trust me, that’s totally understandable.

I just say what I think in ways that, I hope, are accessible to the intelligent readers of this blog. If a particular reply of mine can get one person go hmmm.. then time writing it was time well spent.

Regarding the dangers of turning people away from vaccines. I mostly write about Covid vaccines, which are evil that must be resisted (in my opinion). So anything true about the Covid vaccines and the evil plot to force them on the world’s population, would be something that I would discuss.

I also discussed the Bill Gates malaria vaccine, which has 1% effectiveness from 3 doses and 32% effectiveness from four doses (and goes to negative effectiveness after waning). Also causes a lot of meningitis.

The flu vaccines are also a big scam.

Now the new RSV vaccine, causing premature births, is also an interesting topic to discuss. The same formula was given to Pfizer and GSK by the NIH. GSK, an experienced and less-aggressive vaccine company, abandoned the RSV vaccine due to the prematire birth safety signal and infant deaths. Pfizer, led by a bad aggressive CEO, decided to game the system, chose a small trial so the premature birth signal would be statistically insignificant, and probably bribed the FDA members (I cannot see how anyone in good conscience could approve that junk).

So the vaccine world has much to be discussed!

So igor, you have a ready-made line of pure fiction and lies for each vaccine. Got it — as if we didn’t already know, you

don’t understand the science but are willing to lie about it every chance you get. Your subcrap folks must be mind-numbingly stupid.

Pfizer, led by a bad aggressive CEO, decided to game the system, chose a small trial so the premature birth signal would be statistically insignificant, and probably bribed the FDA members (I cannot see how anyone in good conscience could approve that junk).

The CEO has nothing to do with selecting trial size, so bullshit comment number one here. “Probably bribed…” is pure conspiratorial crap from you — more bullshit. “I cannot see…” — simply because of your predetermined mindset: you’ve already decided, despite any evidence to support you, that everyone involved is either buying results or taking money.
You have to ask again: why are you so unable to actually study and learn about things? If you spent as much time trying to educate yourself as you do cooking up these foolish conspiracies and accusations you might, just might, become a better person. [ALSO: is anyone else having the issue of not being able to use the return key consistently?

Often, as in this post, hitting return brings no result.]

Thanks to Denice for the tip about

I looked up my new “X” hero, angryfiftyplus. Recent contributions:

“The CDC will never admit, but Ivermectin will cure a torn Achilles in 6 weeks.

Trust me I know this. I’ve cured thousands of professional athletes!”


“The Periodic Table is a lie. Come at me bro.”

I’m pretty sure this is a manifestation of Poe’s Law. But coming from Elon’s Augean Stables, you never know for sure…

Isn’t this a satire? At least I thought it was. Also considering the picture of grandpa Simson.

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