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ITNJ “Commissioner”: A woo-full “honor” bestowed upon Del Bigtree and Robert O. Young

The International Tribunal for Natural Justice has named antivaxer Del Bigtree and “pH Miracle Living” quack Robert O. Young as “Commissioners for the Judicial Commission of Inquiry into the Weaponisation of the Biosphere.” What the heck is ITNJ, and why is it naming quacks to its Commission?

As I approached today’s blog post, I was thinking of getting serious, of diving into a study that interested me and dissecting it. Then I realized: It’s Friday. What is my usual history on Fridays? Certainly not heavy-duty serious, science-heavy posts. I usually reserve those for other times in the week. No, my history on Fridays has generally included stuff like Your Friday Dose of Woo, in which I regularly dissected the most outrageously silly pseudoscience I regularly came across. After a while, I started to feel too constrained by having to find something ridiculous every Friday, and YFDoW entries became less and less common. That doesn’t mean that I’ve abandoned the feature entirely, although the last time I’ve done one was nearly six months ago. These days, I just do YFDoW as I come across suitable topics, which, as you see, can sometimes be a long time. Worse, given that I’ve been at this skeptical blogging thing now for nearly 15 years, sometimes I get to the point where I think I’ve seen every form of pseudoscience and quackery that that’s ever quacked, every conspiracy theory that’s ever been theorized, and every crank organization that’s ever cranked. This week I was wrong, though. Thanks to one of my readers, I became aware of the International Tribune for Natural Justice (ITNJ). Even better still, my discovery of this “Tribune” involved cranks who have been regularly featured in this blog, including rising antivax star Del Bigtree and über-quack Robert O. Young, he of the “pH Miracle Living” cure for everything.

What is the ITNJ? It’s described on its website thusly:

The ITNJ is the world’s first people-powered tribunal that operates independently of governments and corporations, and is therefore willing to issue rulings against those organizations based on Natural Law, where agents of governments and/or corporations have caused harm or loss to living men and women, and in this case, matters that relate to the weaponization of our biosphere and the existential ecocide and genocidal threat against humanity.

Take a look at an entry on the ITNJ website, Bigtree, Griffin, Grey, Michael and Young Sworn in as Commissioners:

Del Bigtree, G. Edward Griffin, Sue Grey, Dr Sandra Rose Michael and Dr Robert O. Young have been sworn in as Commissioners for the Judicial Commission of Inquiry into the Weaponisation of the Biosphere. The two-day seating to inaugurate the Judicial Inquiry into Weaponisation of the Biosphere (all living systems), was held in conjunction with a three-day World Health Sovereignty Summit moderated by Founder of the International Tribunal for Natural Justice (ITNJ) Sacha Stone, in Bali, Indonesia. The Summit itself was set within a week-long New Earth Festival, attended and officiated by Indonesian King of Kings Raja Samu Samu VI and multiple regional Kings, as well as dignitaries and multi-faith leaders from around the world. The five experts were confirmed by the Committee to Support the ITNJ, as Trustee Janie Rayne welcomed the new Commissioners. “We look forward to working with such a strong group of Commissioners. Each has a deep knowledge of specific problems and potential solutions to the ecocide and genocide being enacted on humanity, and are all leaders of health sovereignty within their own right,” said Mrs Rayne. The Judicial Commission of Inquiry into the Weaponisation of the Biosphere follows the successful and ongoing Inquiry into Human Trafficking and Child Sex Abuse, which the ITNJ aims to complete at the end of the year with a comprehensive Commission Report. This latest inquiry was launched in Ubud, Bali on the 23rd June 2019, where a dozen witnesses, scientists, and health experts gave testimony over the two-day seating into issues relating to the ‘Weaponization of the Biosphere’.

Whoa. “Weaponization of the biosphere”? What does that mean? If ITNJ means pollution and carbon emissions resulting in human-caused climate change, is that really “weaponization” more than simply humans being humans, as they’ve been since prehistoric times? Back then, even hunter-gatherer societies slaughtered huge numbers of animals and left their trash and remains everywhere without care. Back then, given that human numbers were relatively few , human ability to affect the biosphere was relatively minor, comparatively speaking. Now, with a much huger population, modern technology, and our love of fossil fuels, the human tendency to shit wherever humans live could well result in catastrophic climate warming that, at minimum, will result in massive disruption of civilization and, at worse, could endanger life on this planet.

Of course, if your choice of commissioners for this particular “commission” includes cranks like Del Bigtree and Robert O. Young, I’d guess that your approach to this particular problem is not what I’d call…scientific. Of course, I know who Del Bigtree and Robert O. Young are. For those not familiar with them (i.e., newbies to this blog), Del Bigtree produced Andrew Wakefield’s antivaccine conspiracy movie disguised as a documentary, VAXXED. He’s now part of the trio of most famous antivaxers that includes Andrew Wakefield and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and is now basically one of the most sought-after activists by antivaxers. Robert O. Young, on the other hand, is a quack whom I first wrote about a long, long time ago. His idea is that cancer, sepsis, indeed all disease, is due to “excess acid,” and his “cure” is his “pH Miracle Living” diet that’s supposed to be “alkaline.” Not noted in the ITNJ article is that Young was prosecuted for practicing medicine without a license, spent time in prison (well-deserved and too short a sentence, in my not-so-humble opinion) and lost a lawsuit by a former client of his who was enticed to follow his program and died of breast cancer as a result, with a judgment of $105 million.

I guess ITNJ didn’t get the memo:

Dr. Robert O. Young has served thousands of people around the world with leading-edge information, wisdom and extraordinary healing capabilities. Robert has born the brunt of a twisted health industry; its status quo maintained by the powers of the global pharmaceutical enterprise that has weaponised the combined organs of government, the executive, and the judiciary, to prevent doctors from healing people and curing disease. Dr. Young is widely recognized as one of the world’s top researchers and clinical scientists. He has devoted his life to researching the true causes of disease, developing something known as ‘the new biology’, helping people reverse any sickness or disease, and to balance their lives.

There are not enough facepalms for this, and it’s impossible to take ITNJ the least bit seriously if it can publish a paragraph like this. “Dr.” Robert O. Young is not a doctor. He’s a quack naturopath, and not even a “real” naturopath in that he got his degree through a correspondence school that’s now defunct. He is not “widely recognized as one of the world’s top researchers and clinical scientists” by anyone, not even the quacks who like him. His “discovery” of the “true causes of disease” is nothing more than a quack “One True Cause” delusion, and his “new biology” is only new because it rejects without evidence what scientists have learned about biology over the last couple of centuries. I mean, geez. The guy even denies that bacterial infection causes sepsis!

But who are the rest of these “commissioners” that the ITNJ announced? I hadn’t heard of G. Edward Griffin before, which is odd give that he appears to be pretty old and has obviously been around for a long time. It didn’t take long to discover that he appears to be an all-purpose conspiracy theorist dating back at least to the 1970s. His name shows approvingly on all sorts of conspiracy sites, and some of his books include: The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve, World without Cancer: The Story of Vitamin B-17 (that’s Laetrile, for those not familiar), The Discovery of Noah’s Ark, Moles in High Places, The Open Gates of Troy, No Place to Hide, The Capitalist Conspiracy, More Deadly than War, The Grand Design, The Great Prison Break, The Fearful Master: A Second Look at the United Nations, and This Is the John Birch Society: An Invitation to Membership. He also Freedom Force International, whose purpose is to “remove collectivists from control of the power centers of society and replace them with individualist.” Yep, with his decades-long history of conspiracy theories about the Fed, the U.N., Noah’s ark, Laetrile, and the like? He fits right in with Del Bigtree and Robert O. Young.

Sandra Rose Michael is a “holistic healer” whose work is clearly infused with woo. For instance, here she is described as “working extensively with top scientists, physicians, and world leaders in the research development and implementation of EESystem technology that effectively integrates bio-photonics, unified fields, quantum physics that you can feel and experience creating an enhanced energetic environment for profoundly optimized body-mind-spirit health.” Her claim to fame is the Bio-scaler EEsystem Technology, which is advertised as the “future of energy medicine” and asks “What if you could reverse dis-ease and aging while you sleep?” There’s so much woo on the EESystem website that it probably warrants its own post at some point.

Sue Grey is a bit odd. All I see searching for her is that she’s an environmental lawyer in New Zealand. I found a video in which she spouts exaggerated claims about medical cannabis and natural products. So, I’m guessing that she’s into serious woo. Yes, a little more searching revealed that she is. For instance, here’s a talk she gave at a Steiner School in which she spouted a number of fear mongering claims about wifi in school. OK, I understand now why she’s included in ITNJ’s list of new “commissioners.”

Amusingly, the ITNJ claims jurisdiction anywhere and everywhere:

The ITNJ exists outside and above the jurisdiction of any one nation or country by the authority of the People of the World. The sovereign People of the World are the source of authority. If the People weren’t sovereign, they would not be able to authorize a sovereign government, because you cannot delegate authorities you do not have. The People of any nation or country or territory have the right to delegate their authority to representatives they choose to run their government. Case in point: the government of the United States of America is allegedly founded and maintained by the consent of the governed. Just as the People can authorize their governments to act on their behalf, the People can authorize their Tribunal, the ITNJ, to act on their behalf, and delegate their sovereign authority to administer Natural Law. By their signatures ratifying the Treaty of the International Tribunal for Natural Justice, the People of the World mandate the establishment of the ITNJ and delegate to the officers of the ITNJ their authority to administer Natural Law for all the People of the World, in all the territory of the World.

Right. So a bunch of cranks decided to make up a “tribunal.” And, apparently, “The People” will enforce ITNJ’s rulings:

Enforcement is the first question many people ask, and the answer is: The People. Just as The People of the World are the authority behind this Tribunal, The People of the World are the authority behind enforcing the decisions of this Tribunal. The signatures on the ITNJ Treaty constitute the authority and jurisdiction for enforcement under International Law. The more people that sign the treaty, the more force it will have in law. From there, enforcement is an effort of momentum…building a body of willing individuals unified for the benefit of all.

Yes, I’m sure that governments of the world give the ITNJ’s rulings all the consideration that they deserve. Personally, I like one of the rulings here in which the ITNJ stated that it gave the party ruled against until October 12, 2016 to comply with its order, and “the applicant has not done so.”

If you want a real laugh, take a look at the Treaty of the International Tribunal for Natural Justice and the ITNJ Constitution.

For example:

Having awakened to the truth that since the moment of our birth We have been contracted to corporate institutions which by their very nature serve neither people nor planet, and in hereby revoking in earnest all such contracts which have blinded, encumbered, and sought to separate us from our most noble expression, We now claim a rightful place in this world which the Supreme Creator within has provided for us all, as equals amongst all, and will take such action as to ensure the restoration of truth and justice for all people of the world.

We have met with such a truth, as We have come to know it, understand it, and embrace it, and now choose to be ruled by it for the rest of our days.

We, according to the solemn duty as aforesaid, and per the dictate of conscience, ratify the present treaty with the earnest intention that truth and reason be restored to the delivery of justice in the world.

And so, recognising that in Truth:

i. Law in its purest form requires nothing more or less than that we each do no harm.

ii. Harm in any form is only ever caused by natural persons, regardless of whether or not the natural person may claim to be operating under corporate dictate, colour of law, or otherwise.

iii. Harm in any form is only ever capable of being suffered by natural persons, regardless of whether or not the harm suffered may have been so suffered through a natural person’s artificial externalities.

iv. Neither corporate immunity, nor colour of right, can indemnify a natural person for harm caused to another.

v. No natural person is bound by the unlawful ruling of a de facto court where they are not a consenting party with full knowledge of the manner in which their consent is given.

We the natural men and women of the world, pursuant to the ultimate goal of realising equal rights and dignity for each member of the human family,

HEREBY MANDATE the International Tribunal for Natural Justice.

All nice words, but rather delusional. After all, forming a court and a tribunal is all very well and nice, as is hearing cases and making rulings, but without any real power or enforcement mechanism, who cares? Also, if an entity like ITNJ thinks that people like Del Bigtree, Robert O. Young, Sandra Rose Michael, and G. Edward Griffin are serious experts in anything, then the only reaction is to laugh at its arrogance and embrace of quackery, antivaccine pseudoscience, and conspiracy theories.

It’s worse than that, though. The ITNJ is truly a “tribunal” created by a bunch of “natural health” grifters and worse, founded by someone named Sacha Stone, whose website is chock full of every major conspiracy theory you can think of: deep state, 5G, satanic groups, crop circles, and more. As discussed here, principle of “natural justice” proclaims that it will “impart knowledge to any guilty party to address the cause of the harm itself” and only take a “force of action” when the guilty party refuses to “acknowledge the truth” but all without harming the guilty party:

No arbitrary penalties, prison sentences, fines, or sanctions will be imposed on any guilty party. Natural Justice is based on the premise of honor and trust, as such a harm incurred by one cannot be corrected by incurring harm back on them; ‘an eye for an eye’. The cause of harm is incomplete knowledge and/or an unwillingness to honor the rights of others, as such the solution must be an attempt to offer the truth to such individuals, an establishment of trust.

Yeah, I get why grifters would like that.

Hilariously, certain cranks and quacks think that this is a big deal:

Meanwhile, Sue Grey refers to Del Bigtree as “inspirational,” which tells you all you need to know about her:

Great. Bigtree’s making friends and winning allies in New Zealand now.

This is perhaps the most hilarious one of all, in which Sacha Stone exults about Del Bigtree giving “expert testimony” to the ITNJ:

There’s more, though. Bigtree and Young appear to have gone to a “New Earth Festival” om Bali in late June in conjunction with their “testimony” to the ITNJ and being named ITNJ commissioners and then went back to Indonesia last week for an award. Here’s a post from a week ago.

Here Young is in Bali:

I really hope that that dog in the lower righthand corner is OK and just sleeping rather than dead.

And here’s a post from a couple of days prior:

And here’s a post of Young being “sworn in” as an ITNJ Commissioner:

Interestingly, I dont see Del Bigtree in these photos. I also don’t see any mention on Del Bigtree’s Facebook page or other social media of the “honor” that he received a month ago, that of being named an ITNJ Commissioner. Maybe he mentioned it on his Highwire video podcast, but I’m not going to wade through hours of his ranting to find out. I do find it rather telling, though, that Bigtree, who is most definitely normally not one to be silent about any honors he receives, no matter where they come from, has, as far as I can tell, remained silent (at least in public) about having been named a Commissioner for the ITNJ.

Of course, there’s a question that I can’t help but wonder about here: Who’s paying for this all? Del Bigtree’s existing funding source has been outed, and it costs a lot of money to travel to Bali and Indonesia. Is the reason that Bigtree is remaining silent about this honor is so that he realizes that association with ITNJ doesn’t help his credibility any? That’s never stopped him before. Maybe he’s found a new wealthy rube to support his antivaccine activism. If so, that could be very bad news indeed.

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79 replies on “ITNJ “Commissioner”: A woo-full “honor” bestowed upon Del Bigtree and Robert O. Young”

Sacha Stone started or is affiliated with numerous organizations dedicated to saving mankind, or something like that. His preoccupations (based on this year’s Bali festival lineup) include vaccines, GMOs, 5G and “synthetic medicine”.

Elsewhere he is described as committed to “prosecute for the protection of breakthrough innovators, scientists and doctors”. Robert O. Young could use a pal like that.

One ITNJ commissioner of renown is former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, who is famous for espousing numerous conspiracy theories (she’s been a 9/11 Truther, believes the government was behind the assassination of JFK and Martin Luther King, and (according to RationalWiki) thinks vaccines exist to poison black children.

Bigtree and Young should be congenial comrades.

v. No natural person is bound by the unlawful ruling of a de facto court where they are not a consenting party with full knowledge of the manner in which their consent is given.

ITNJ admit in their constitution that the rulings of their “tribunal” are not binding. So what is the purpose of this organization, other than to act as a grift? They aren’t helping their case by sponsoring junkets like this shindig in Bali.

And oh, the hilarity that will ensue if they try to enforce one of their decisions. No existing legal system is perfect, but modern society absolutely needs a legal system of some kind to operate. And this crowd seems poised to try to get rid of existing legal systems in favor of their entirely untested system in which terms do not have precise meanings.

Boy, that certainly looks expensive…I wonder how much in “donations” that cost?

IKR? Who’s funding this? The ITNJ headquarters is in London, and it’s held a major conference piggy backed onto a “natural health” woo-fest in Bali. That ain’t cheap.

This sounds like the unnatural child of the sovereign citizen movement and unbridled woo & science/medical/environmental conspiracy theories.

I have a knee-jerk reaction to “natural law” anyway. In the US, it’s mostly used as an argument for Christianists to impose their version of “biblical” law.

As for these “commissioners” — I can make up a group with my friends and they can make me the Green Manalishi With the Two Prong Crown, but that and $5 gets me a chai latte at Starbucks.

EmJay said, “This sounds like the unnatural child of the sovereign citizen movement and unbridled woo & science/medical/environmental conspiracy theories.”


Del Bigtree a sovrun citizen?
Big surprise – He’s also a Chemtrailer.

In keeping with the kookery, my friends and I have formed the Universal Natural Law Tribunal (UNLT).
At the recent UNLT Sovereign Summit, the UNLT commissioners appointed Natural Law Supreme Court Justices who have issued arrest warrants for the following persons:
Del Bigtree, Andrew Wakefield, Brian Hooker, Babs Low Fisher, Polly Tommey, Mike Adams, Joe Mercola, G. Edward Griffin, Robert O. Young, Sue Grey, Sandra Rose Michael, Sacha Stone and all ITNJ commissioners.
More warrants are to follow.
The commissioners have also deputized all sovrun citizens as UNLT deputies and empowered them to arrest those named in UNLT warrants.
The UNLT commissioners also state that this is not some farcical prepubescent fantasy cargo-cult legal tribunal like the ITNJ, but is a real farcical prepubescent cargo-cult legal tribunal.
They also wish to invite anyone interested in receiving a UNLT award to make a 501c3 donation in the amount of $15,000 and UNLT will pay for your transportation, food, and lodging for our upcoming Tribunal Meeting in the Hague.
It will be a nice European vacation and you can write it off as well as spend your 501c3 monies on a personal vacation while not running afoul of the IRS.
Next on the agenda – Chemtrails!
Del Bigtree and G. Edward will also feature in this investigation.

Have fun.

In Canada, the kooks are “freemen on the land,” similar to the sovereign citizen types in the US though somewhat less inclined to be heavily armed. The language used by this so-called tribunal is very much like that I’ve seen quoted in several published rulings of Canadian courts – some of which make highly entertaining reading (Alberta Court of Queen’s Bench Associate Chief Justice Rooke’s ruling on Meads v. Meads has something akin to a cult following and is now cited in courts in other countries including the US). Of course the freemen always lose their court battles.

Rooke was case managment judge for the Stephans’ retrial. David Stephan didn’t like him very much. The retrial seems to be in limbo of some sort. It may be waiting for a verdict from the trial judge. It may have been adjourned until September since Queen’s Bench doesn’t normally sit in July & August, though the trial judge did say at the outset that he would carry on into July.

There’s some more information\history\commentary about the ITNJ over at the Hoaxted Research blog (a very good site tracking a bunch of loons who invented a Satanic-Paedophile group out of whole cloth who then persecuted a local community).

Haven’t checked, busy, but there may be more at Quatloos as there’s a bit of overlap

Until I read down to where the photos show up, I thought the “ITNJ” was a parody site. As it turns out to be a real thing, I can only take it as yet another sign of the impending apocalypse.

So did I, until I dug more deeply into the whole thing. Thanks to a certain regular commenter here (he knows who he is and can uncloak if he wishes), who provided me links to the FB posts.

Grifters gonna grift, I guess.

Uncloaked. I’d feel awful if you took the full blame and sentencing when the ITNJ holds their “Judicial Commission of Inquiry into Insolent American MD/PhDs” next year. 😉

I too have spent more time than can possibly be healthy, looking at ‘Sacha Stone’* and his 5-ring circus of grifts.

It is a whole fractal rabbit-hole made of little rabbit holes. Stone never saw a grift that he didn’t want to appropriate.

Actual name is Simon Jean Paul Sacha Adams.

My one concern is that their “enforcement” idea will give legitimacy to someone who thinks that any “judgments” they issue are an excuse to hurt someone, in spite of their language of “no penalty,” if they pass down a verdict saying that person did harm.

Also, that’s a really weird idea of natural law. It doesn’t fit any definition of natural law we discussed in jurisprudence in law school.

…but ya gotta love their chief justice in his court dress in all their pictures and videos.

Bwhahahaha…”Sir John” got busted in 2017 (with final striking off in 2018) his real jurisdiction (Norfolk Island) for (1) this phony baloney ITNJ bunk with his made up titles and (2) creating a phony Bar association where he lived and conning people to pay into it so he could pocket the money and (3) speaking badly of other legal practitioners where he lived. This makes me wonder what it costs a plaintiff to submit an application to ITNJ since Brannagh likely needs some revenue from this gig.

So just as savory a character as Robert O Young. Maybe for ITNJ’s next commission they’ll appoint the king of all struck offs Andrew Wakefield.

Interestingly, they have a 501 (c)3 called “The Committee to Support the ITNJ”, so their financials should be discoverable to some degree.

Chief Justice Sir John Walsh of Brannagh, The Duke de RONCERAY Sir John Francis Patrick Cyril Colclough GCStJ to give him his full self-appointed titles

That is not actually the full list of self-appointed titles and qualifications claimed by this jurisprudential cosplayer and his Fisher-Price court.

More to be found here: (including the suggested alternative title “Chief Justice Sir Knobhead of Upperwankington, Duke of Norfolk Island”).

Let the record show that Julie Bishop (Australya Foreign Minister) takes these gobshites and their various frauds perfectly seriously, and was keen to be photographed with them:

Bing! “Also, that’s a really weird idea of natural law. It doesn’t fit any definition of natural law we discussed in jurisprudence in law school.”

And that really ticks me off, because the interplay between natural law theory, properly defined, and social contract theory, is critical to the functioning of democratic rule-of-law societies.

Now these arses have appropriated the term and dipped it in woo, and festooned the whole thing with a Surplus of Capital Letters to Demonstrate how Important they Are, another Sure Sign of Crankery. Ugh.

BTW has anyone else noticed that the acronym of this little coterie of loons looks like a Meyers-Briggs category?

“And oh, the hilarity that will ensue if they try to enforce one of their decisions.”

Del “Your Right To Bear And Use Arms” Bigtree might be planning to organize an ITNJ Natural Justice Squad to make arrests.

quantum physics that you can feel and experience

They have traps and lasers in addition to the usual holy-mother regalia? Kewl. Mike Adams should be embarrassed.

I’m confused. I see “ITNJ” but no mention of Myers-Briggs anywhere. Did they miss something?

Ha, you beat me to it (as expected). That was the second thing I noticed. The First was the Excess of Capital Letters and Pompous Titles, and we all Know what That Means.

ITNJ! The new justice league. Do they fight over the Batmobile….or Superman’s pants?

What’s funny about the whole enterprise though, is that woo-meisters and cranks create official sounding websites, orgs or tribunals when perhaps they themselves should be the subjects of inquiry:
— who can forget ( ex LA cop) Clark Baker’s Office of Scientific Whatnot** that investigated various scandals – like the
“myth” of hiv?
— B. Loe Fisher’s NVIC
— James Lyons Weiler has his Institute of Divine Knowledge** or suchlike.
— RFK jr has the Child Health Protective Services**

The Tribunal’s “international scope” even exceeds Null’s various PR efforts:
whenever he writes an “expose”, a “white paper” or does a “documentary” *** , he sends copies to all congress people and all media outlets – usually about “7000”, he claims. In addition, all attendees to his various ( not free) lectures and film premiers usually get a few copies of one or two of his films****.

** if they can make up names, why can’t I?
*** if I’m not careful, I’ll soon use up of my scare quote allotment
**** I ask, doesn’t this cut into profit?

Don’t forget Financial Pest idiot Lawrence Solomon and his multitude of important-sounding organizations. Off the top of my head, these include Energy Probe, Urban Renaissance Institure and Consumer Policy Institute (the anti-vax organization). I believe there are a few more. Anyway, I’m glad to see that he has given up on the anti-vax stuff (perhaps he got a smackdown by the Pest editors) and had become a Donald Trump fanboi. Like I said, an idiot.

ITNJ’s first commission had the noble name of ” ITNJ Judicial Commission of Inquiry into Human Trafficking and Child Sex Abuse”. This sounds like a just and noble thing even if ITNJ has no enforcement powers. But then you read the description that this Commission was formed based on a dossier that:

gathers in one file examples of human trafficking, child sex abuse rings, satanic ritual abuse, and MK-Ultra mind control, focusing primarily on cases involving those at the highest echelons of government and society.

…so now it’s off into conspiracy land, though at least unlike Mike Adams they aren’t invoking alien overlords.

Is Bigtree using ITNJ (and the royalty of Indonesia that hang out around there) for funding? Does he hope to have an anti-vax “Nuremberg” trial hosted by ITNJ given that anti-vaxxers idiotically think vaccination violates Nuremberg codes? Does he just want to hang out in Bali every once in a while on someone else’s dime and be asked “Hey Commissioner Bigtree, should we light up the Batsh*t signal?” Hard to say. But it is interesting he’s been mum on this “honor” while others act like he’s been made Grand Poobah. I sure hope his talk he gave in Bali shows up somewhere on the internets, give that it would likely show his kowtowing side instead of the usual raving/ranting demagoguery he spews.

though at least unlike Mike Adams they aren’t invoking alien overlords.


So the basic idea is that they’ll decide Robert Young is God and their army of followers will break him out of prison next time he screws up?
That’s incredibly arrogant to believe that they’ve fooled enough people to challenge sovereign governments.

This “commission” keeps blithering on about “natural persons”. What is a “natural person”? Does that mean that there are “unnatural” persons?
Or do they mean “natural” in the old-fashioned meaning, ie, bastard? (The natural son of Henry VIII was Henry Fitzroy, for example.)

Very odd.

Natural persons is a jurisprudence term for a real individual, as opposed to a company.

Just another example of cranks co-opting the terminology of real things to give their nonsense gravitas. It is equivalent to “doing research” i.e. searching on Google.

search phrases like
freemen on the land
organized pseudolegal commercial arguments

will help you understand “natural person” as used by kooks

I think they’re descended from the ‘Natural Law Party’ who were a set of (speaking as a bit of a hippie socialist) well funded high-as-a-kite transcendental early 90s UK political party famous for Yogic flying (i.e. bouncing on your arse while cross-legged)

This is the craziest mish-mash of incongruent parts: antivaxer, new ager, Bircher, environmentalist, and “Indonesian King of Kings Raja Samu Samu VI”. (This royalty appears to be official, but is purely ceremonial and exists primarily for the purpose of staging historical rituals for audiences of tourists.) Orac asks where the money comes from. My guess would be that :”Sacha Stone” has become the svengali/agent of some single very wealthy partron (a la Epstein/Wexner), and together they’re pursuing some very idiosyncratic obsessions.

This tribunal thing reminds me of antivaxers’ fixation with putting vaccines (and/or their advocates) ”on trial”. There are books entitled “Vaccines On Trial” (by Pierre St. Clair) and “The HPV Vaccine On Trial” (by Mary Holland et al). It may be in part a reaction to the false notion that vaccine makers are 100% free of liability for their products. Regardless, antivaxers fantasize about convicting and punishing their opponents. Maybe the ITNJ will issue verdicts against prominent pro-immunization advocates. Be very afraid.

In contemplating this brand of justice I’m reminded of the Mouse’s Tale as rendered by Lewis Carroll, in which the cat (Fury) wants to take the mouse to trial.

‘I’ll be
I’ll be
old Fury;
‘I’ll try
the whole

Here’s Lotta Lenya as Seeräuber Jenny (Pirate Jenny) in Die Dreigroschenoper (Threepenny Opera)

Und ein Schiff mit acht Segeln {And a ship with eight sails)
Und mit fünfzig Kanonen (and with fifty cannons)
Wird liegen am Kai.
(will lie on the quay)

Lotta Lenya as Jenny

Die Moritat von Mackie Messer (The Ballad of Mack the Knife) is also from Threepenny and much darker than the sappy versions in English. For some reason I can’t find the clip from from the movie.

Back when I was at University, my friends and I, one summer over a few beers at the beach, founded the Institute of Applied Apathy. Clearly, we did not set out sights nearly high enough.

Heh! I looked up “natural justice”. According to the W/pedia page it is an English legal term for the rule against bias. Now, as science and evidence based people, I’m sure we can all get behind that. It’s the very reason studies use cold hard mathematics to determine correlation rather than human feelings.

Just to add a nitpick, individuals don’t ratify international law treaties. Those are between states or other established international entities.

This is just… bizzare, as a legal entity. I need to share it with some international law scholars for amusement value.

My god. In all of my years of reading RI and SBM, this has to be the greatest thing ever on either site. I finally have a link for the definition of hubris.

Initially I was thinking of the poem “Ozymandias” for the ITNJ, but they’re really more like The King on Asteroid 325 in “The Little Prince” when it comes to hubris:

But the little prince was wondering . . . The planet was tiny. Over what could this king really rule?

“Sire,” he said to him, “I beg that you will excuse my asking you a question–”

“I order you to ask me a question,” the king hastened to assure him.

“Sire–over what do you rule?”

“Over everything,” said the king, with magnificent simplicity.

“Over everything?”

The king made a gesture, which took in his planet, the other planets, and all the stars.

“Over all that?” asked the little prince.

“Over all that,” the king answered.

For his rule was not only absolute: it was also universal.

“And the stars obey you?”

“Certainly they do,” the king said. “They obey instantly. I do not permit insubordination.”

You’ve been reading RI & SBM for years & just now saw an example of arrogance, conceit, haughtiness, pride, vanity, self-importance & pomposity?

Entertaining article in the paper this a.m. on the proposed Straight Pride parade in Modesto CA, notably concerning its organizer and chairman of the Constitution Party of California, Don Grundmann.

According to the article (from the L.A. Times) Grundmann is a “chiropractor and herbalist” as well as chairman of the Constitution Party of California and has run for Senate numerous times, all unsuccessfully (can’t imagine why). The article says he wants to ban the vaccination of children, a stance I couldn’t find on the Constitution Party’s website.

Nope, for that one you’ve got to go to Grundmann’s own webpage, in which he describes the following position on vaccination: “Ban all vaccinations of children until complete and verified safety and effectiveness studies have been performed. Initiate studies of the connection between vaccination and long-term disease development.”

So much for “vaccine choice”, apparently.

So we have to stop vaccinating and wait till all unvaccinated children have died, so we can see wich diseases they have died of and compare those with the diseases the current generation of vaccinated children get?
Sounds really unethical to me. But hey, ethics are never a strong point of anti-vaxers

@ Narad,

Hey, Narad. I think that I see the science & reality differently; not because I am so well educated & credentialed but due to something intangible that is likely related to my disability. Nobody agrees with me, nobody validates me & I’m currently raising three kids on $1,500/month in order to take care of my severely disabled son.

My twin daughters will start college this fall, not because their parent supports their entitlement with $$s but because I raised them to achieve in STEM & begged & borrowed for their opportunities to become well versed in networking & business & they are poised in front of large groups while presenting everything from Jazz to Robots. Read: Scholarships; both of them & they are pursuing Business Management, Aeronautical Engineering, Music & Foreign Languages.

I … own two pairs of pants & one pair of flip flops. I did buy a $3 dress at a thrift store two weeks ago. I am invisible. At least most of the time I wish I were. My point is that if you are seeing ‘pomposity’ (now that is a great word) here on RI? It’s not me.

Christine, it’s really difficult for me to follow a conversation when you post your replies in totally random locatons, such as this DB → Rebate exchange. Could you please either find the right place or just quote what you’re replying to and stick it at the bottom.

As for poverty, I have about $5 in cash and my food stamps have gotten screwed up. I “win,” yay?


Congratulations to your daughters. I wish them success in college.

And I hope you find some support system to help raise your son. My wife worked for several years in a high school program for behaviorally impaired students and I know they can be extremely challenging.

I’ve thought about noting this in several of your comments, but I’ll throw it in here.

Perhaps the reason that you see “science and reality” differently is because you are not really using science to study reality. Science is not just a matter of picking whose biology textbook you like best. It is a whole system of methods for testing your ideas about reality against reality itself to see if they are correct. Those methods help you satisfy Feynman’s first principle.

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool.

So you really can’t consider your experience with your children to be science. Because you haven’t done the general testing to see if what happened was merely a coincidence, if the two happenings were correlated in a general population (for vaccines and SIDS or autism, the evidence is for a negative correlation), or if one happening caused the other.

I also researched some more about Dravet syndrome. I have a particular interest in seizures since I am under lifetime treatment for them and my sister had seizures as a child. But the evidence in Dravet cases is that while an earlier first seizure may be triggered by the body’s reaction to a vaccine, the long term outlook is no different for those cases from the general population who have the same genetic mutation for Dravet’s. And those were a modest fraction of the overall Dravet’s cases. So the vaccines did not “cause” Dravet’s or make it worse.

I am confused. She is saying her twin daughters are going to college? I thought one died from SIDS. Was it really triplets? That really ramps up the possibility of mortality. Or that Christine gave birth to two sets of twins.

Chris, I share your confusion. I had a go yesterday at trying to find the post about the twins in one of the previous threads, but got interrupted and never went back. Given the wearying details that have been provided, I don’t believe either a triplet or a two pair scenario. At this point, “I don’t believe – full stop” is my position.

I share that position. Her precious pity party seems to lack veracity, especially on how much she spends trying to push it on us.

I would just like to note that one of the bigwigs behind the Boston “Straight Pride” march is <a href=’”>Milo Yiannopolous. In addition to being a particularly repulsive white supremacist troll, Yiannopolous happens to be married to another man, which doesn’t sound very “straight” to me.

I am not suggesting that everyone connected with this INTJ thing is either a troll or a white supremacist–but at the very least they’re careless in their choice of allies. Then again, they’re “sovereign citizen” types, with the usual odd idea that the actual courts are illegitimate because we didn’t all agree to be governed by them, but that their arbitrary courts are legitimate and everyone should accept their judgments, consent be damned.

You can learn more about Sacha Stone than you probably desire from this useful profile, including his fondness for Kenyan-Obama Truther trumpery. Who could possibly have predicted that a white refugee from what is now Zimbabwe would prove to be a colossal racist gobshite? Then there’s his Elders-of-Zion antisemitism.

Oh I hate to speak up again but since no one else is.. until they arrive….then I’ll be gone

Christine, did you ever think that maybe, possibly the reason you think differently is because OF your “disability”/ differences?
We know ( look it up) that close relatives of people with ASDs are more likely to have cognitive differences than people who do not have close relatives with ASDs**

In addition, you may be emotionally motivated to see vaccines as causative- thereby making you able to view your son as “damaged” by an external cause: born well, then harmed by doctors, pharma et al

AS you may know people with ASDs CAN and DO learn SBM as several here demonstarte time and time again. It should be noted that interest/ ability in STEM can be a benefit to people who with ASDs / related differences.
There’s an article on Wikipedia*** called Heredity and Autism.

-btw- on Baron-Cohen’s test, I score very low, i.e. non-ASD- perhaps that’s why you don’t understand my comments although several people with AS here DO.

** similarly, people with close relatives with schizophrenia are more likely to have cognitive issues w/o a dx of schizophrenia
*** I know that alties reject this outlet


Not only I do understand you but in real life, recently, one of the people I know, a woman serving as classroom aid for autistic pupil among others; she told me that she has never ever met an autistic like myself because of my flexibility in accommodating the unknown, as in 6 sigma from the average structural rigidity of an autistic with regard to anything, schedule, methods and a lot more.

As you know the current epidemiology of autistics, you can imagine how that felt to me 😀


Young’s woo clearly isn’t effective in preventing the circumferential effects that often accompany aging. The de-frocked lawyer’s jacket also looks like it hasn’t been officially worn in several inches.

I wonder if the selection of location was partly because for those spiffy chairs with the throne-like curlicues on the backs.

I browsed some of the things at Clyde’s links. The business of using a thumbprint is something that has been used on many documents filed with Canadian courts by the freemen on the land types:
“These people — and I have encountered them in my practice — drape themselves in cobbled-together pseudolegal verbiage and concepts, such as describing themselves as “corporate entities” or “juristic persons,” claiming copyright over their own names and spelling their names with add-on hyphens and colons (the husband in the case before Mr. Justice Rooke, for example, referred to himself as “::Dennis-Larry:Meads::”), and filing bogus pseudolegal documents festooned with gibberish and meaningless symbols, such as thumbprints, multicoloured ink, pompous phrases set in capital letters, stamps and references to inapplicable, foreign or repealed statutes.” from

@ Chris,

Yes, you got it right. I’ve had twins; twice. Fraternal boy/girl twins were actually conceived as triplets. Had a complete (own placenta & amniotic sac) loss of one late 1st trimester but retained two & they were born in 1994.

Second set were fraternal girl/girl twins born in 2001.There is no history of twins in my family, I’m just a hyperovulator which is why I had so many issues with ‘family planning’ methods. Not thinking it could be related to my ASD , it’s just another weird thing.

SPARK kits arrived today.

@ Chris,

Good luck with the study

I’m more excited than I thought I would be. They are already back in the mail!

@ Squirrelite,

Have you heard of SUDEP & the research on ‘back to sleep’? Not r/t Dravet, I believe. Maybe SIDS is actually more like ‘SUEPDI’ (sudden unexpected epileptic death infants); both with susceptibility to risk when sleeping prone?

I think do think backwards sometimes. FWIW; I read almost everything from back to front except online articles & fiction. I read fiction only rarely, though. I’m the worst about this with periodicals; I don’t know why.

Will that always mean I’m wrong?

I’m not using textbooks; just online. I like my uncle’s biology textbook but I don’t have a current edition. He wrote it decades ago & it’s on it’s umpteenth edition. I joke with him about how he ‘wrote the book of LIFE’ ,

Everytime he sees me he asks if I wrote MY book of life yet. He says mine would be more interesting. LOL; he means a biography in my case & probably for comedy purposes.

@ Aarno,

Well, I don’t disagree; I lack the basic fundamentals. I’d probably still read it backwards though.

I have read about SUDEP and Dravet because you mentioned both of them.

SUDEP is specifically for people with a diagnosis of a seizure disorder, or at least a diagnosed seizure. That would take it out of the category of Sudden Unexplained Infant Deaths (SUID), which includes SIDS.

In 2017, there were 3,600 sudden unexpected infant deaths (SUID) in the United States. These deaths occur among infants less than 1 year old and have no immediately obvious cause.

The three commonly reported types of SUID include the following:

Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).
Unknown cause.
Accidental suffocation and strangulation in bed.
In 2017, there were about 1,400 deaths due to SIDS, about 1,300 deaths due to unknown causes, and about 900 deaths due to accidental suffocation and strangulation in bed.

About 1% of the 4 million children born in the U.S. each year will develop a seizure disorder as children. About 1 in 1000 of them (possibly 1.44) will die each year. So that works out to about 40 deaths each year for children less than 1 year old. Even if those were included in the 1400 deaths from SIDS, it would be a relatively minor contribution.

Dravet is a severe form of epilepsy affecting about 1 in 15,700 people. That works out to about 250 children each year. The death risk by reaching adulthood is about 15-20%, so perhaps 1% of those die each year. While tragic, those are only 2 or 3 deaths each year in the first year of life. So, even if counted, Dravet would be a very minor part of the overall SIDS incidence.

The bottom line for SIDS is that we don’t know what causes it. But we do know that have babies sleep on their backs reduces the incidence significantly. And we also have learned from several large scale studies that vaccination reduces the number of SIDS deaths compared to unvaccinated children. So, vaccination is very unlikely to be a cause of SIDS.

I know from family genealogical records that I had one cousin who died as a baby. I don’t know the cause or age and the family never mentioned it much. There are a LOT more such deaths from the early 19th century.

Last fall I visited the grave of my niece who died of a heart attack in her 20’s. (She was overweight.) She had an outgoing personality and we miss her very much.

Last month I remembered my little sister-in-law who died of cancer in her 40’s. She left two sons, one of which was still in high school.

Each of those deaths was tragic. So, I mourn each of them and I mourn the death of your daughter. I try to keep myself in good physical shape, which would have helped my niece, and participated in a cancer walk that might help people like my sister-in-law in the future.

But, I don’t argue against vaccines because I have seen no good evidence that they cause SIDS or heart attacks or cancer, and I know they save thousands of lives every year.

I’m quite well up on conspiracy theories, new age bollocks et al.

It’s been a very, very long time since I’ve heard or seen anything about ‘Ley Lines’.

Thanks for reminding me.

I’m not the brightest among people like you lot, but I do know a good scam when I see one.
I actually had a ‘conversation’ with, I think, Sasha Stone on Facebook the other day. I said a few things, like mentioning that the tribunal have no juristiction anywhere in the world, of course he argued the fact, but the conversation went on.
It got to the subject of one of his contributors of the videos they make, I won’t say who but she has undergone hypnosis therapy in the past and now claims some outrageous things about her father raping and killing every child in South Australia, even the Somerton Man!
Anyway, I mentioned about a certain case here in Adelaide about some children that were taken from Glenelg beach here in S.A. back in 66′, I was there that day along with thousands of other families as it was Australia day, although it wasn’t a puplic holiday. I didn’t see anything of these children but Sasha asked me, because I was a ‘witness’, if I would like to do one of his testimonies, I haven’t bothered to reply because i’m still laughing about it!
Sorry about the rant, I only came on here to post the link below, it outlines where they get their money from etc, it’s an good read if anyone is interested.

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