One of my favorite shows right now is True Detective, an HBO show in which two cops pursue a serial killer over the course of over 16 years. Starring Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey, it’s an amazingly creepy show, and McConaughey is amazing at playing his character, Rustin Cohle. I’m sad that the show will be ending this week.
Unfortunately, as much as I like Matthew McConaughey as an actor, he is in part responsible for re-inspiring a movement that has the potential to do profound harm to patients and cancer research. That’s because his other big role over the last year has been in an Oscar-nominated movie, Dallas Buyers Club, where he plays Ron Woodroof, an early AIDS patient who in the 1980s smuggled unapproved pharmaceutical drugs into Texas when he thought he found them effective at alleviating his symptoms, distributing them to fellow sufferers by establishing the “Dallas Buyers Club” while battling the FDA. I haven’t seen the movie, and I really don’t want to, given that, from everything I’ve heard about it, it’s basically the story of a “brave maverick” who bucks the FDA, complete with all the tropes about uncaring bureaucrats who don’t care if these brave patientd die. That might not be so bad if it weren’t also riddled with inaccuracies and misinterpretations of the AIDS crisis in the 1980s. Worse, the real Woodruff rejected the one truly promising drug at the time, AZT as hopelessly toxic and instead smuggled drugs like Peptide T, which never panned out. Basically, what Woodruff appears to have smuggled as part of his activities for the “Dallas Buyers Club” was a mixture of useless supplements, experimental drugs that panned out, and a handful of experimental drugs that showed promise. Meanwhile, the movie portrays the FDA as the implacable enemy of theses sorts of activities, jackbooted thugs not unlike the stereotype promoted by “health freedom” quacks who don’t like the FDA preventing them from selling their quackery. As far as I can tell without actually seeing the movie is that the overall message is a typical uplifting story of an underdog who fights the power and in doing so finds redemption.
Of course, Dallas Buyers Club is just a movie, no matter how good a movie it might be and how much Matthew McConaughey might have deserved an Oscar for his performance. Unfortunately, it appears that legislators in several states seem to think that it should serve as a template for health policy. This public policy, which is extremely bad policy being considered and promoted in four different states, comes in the form of laws known as “right to try” laws. Basically, “right to try” laws grant terminally ill patients the right to have access to experimental therapies. According to these laws, the drugs need only have passed phase I trials. Now, remember, phase I trials do not demonstrate efficacy. They are only designed to test for safety and toxicity, determine the maximum tolerated dose, and provide an estimate for the dose to use in real clinical trials. The concept of “right to try” bills is highly popular, because if you don’t know a lot about medicine and how clinical trials work it sounds like a good idea What could be the possible harm, after all? A lot, it turns out, but I’ll get to that in a moment. First, let’s take a look at the rationale for Arizona’s “right to try” law, which is being promoted by the Goldwater Institute:
Arizona legislators are poised to green-light legislation in committee Thursday that would pave the way for terminally ill patients to access experimental drugs not yet cleared for market. Known as the “Right to Try” Act, similar bills are currently being considered by lawmakers in Colorado, Louisiana and Missouri, and legislators in California and Massachusetts have expressed interest.
Designed by the Goldwater Institute, the Right to Try Act would enable terminally ill patients who have exhausted all of their available treatment options to access experimental drugs that have been deemed safe but whose efficacy has yet to be determined. Under the current system, even after an investigational drug has passed the Food and Drug Administration’s Phase I (the testing phase during which safety is established), it can take an additional six or more years for the drug to be approved for market–even if clinical trials are yielding promising results.
And while many patients facing terminal illness attempt to get into those clinical trials, the vast majority cannot, because they are too far along in their illnesses or because of other factors. 40% of cancer patients pursue admission into clinical trials, but only 3% succeed. Last year, more than 500,000 Americans died from cancer alone.
According to Christina Corieri, a health care policy analyst at the Goldwater Institute, the tragedy is that many of the drugs terminal patients can’t access today will be saving the lives of future patients just a few years from now.
“The sickest Americans don’t have the luxury of time to wait for these drugs to come to market through the traditional process,” said Corieri. “The Right to Try Act puts the decision about whether to try an experimental treatment back where it belongs: in the hands of patients and their doctors.”
This is, of course, partially true. There is always an inherent conflict between wanting to push for faster approval of drugs in order to treat patients who are dying and the need for rigorous testing to assure safety. Patients and their families ask, “What’s the harm?” while advocates like Corieri sell their policy with the assumption that experimental drugs are highly likely to help these patients, or at least not so unlikely as not to be worth trying. Here’s the problem. Just because a drug has passed phase I trials does not mean that it is effective. It does, however, frequently mean that the drugs have significant side effects. Indeed, determining those adverse events is part of the entire reason that we do clinical trials in the first place.
The Arizona law is the template for laws that are metastasizing to other states, such as Colorado; so I’ll look at it. The text of the law is available online. The major provisions of the law include a definition of the eligible patients that includes:
1. “ELIGIBLE PATIENT” MEANS A PERSON WHO MEETS ALL OF THE FOLLOWING:
(a) HAS A TERMINAL ILLNESS.
(b) HAS CONSIDERED ALL OTHER TREATMENT OPTIONS CURRENTLY APPROVED BY THE UNITED STATES FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION.
(c) HAS RECEIVED A PRESCRIPTION OR RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PERSON’S PHYSICIAN FOR AN INVESTIGATIONAL DRUG, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCT OR DEVICE.
(d) HAS GIVEN WRITTEN INFORMED CONSENT FOR THE USE OF THE INVESTIGATIONAL DRUG, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCT OR DEVICE OR, IF THE PATIENT IS A MINOR OR LACKS THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO PROVIDE INFORMED CONSENT, A PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN HAS GIVEN WRITTEN INFORMED CONSENT ON THE PATIENT’S BEHALF.
(e) HAS DOCUMENTATION FROM THE PERSON’S PHYSICIAN THAT THE PERSON HAS MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS PARAGRAPH.
The bill defines an “investigational” drug as a drug that’s passed phase I trials but has not yet been FDA-approved. The law doesn’t require manufacturers of an investigational drug to make it available, but basically allows them to do so if they so choose. Worse, it doesn’t require that the manufacturer provide the drug for free, as it must to patients undergoing clinical trials in order to achieve FDA approval:
A. A MANUFACTURER OF AN INVESTIGATIONAL DRUG, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCT OR DEVICE MAY MAKE AVAILABLE THE MANUFACTURER’S INVESTIGATIONAL DRUG, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCT OR DEVICE TO ELIGIBLE PATIENTS PURSUANT TO THIS ARTICLE. THIS ARTICLE DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT A MANUFACTURER MAKE AVAILABLE AN INVESTIGATIONAL DRUG, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCT OR DEVICE TO AN ELIGIBLE PATIENT.
B. A MANUFACTURER MAY:
1. PROVIDE AN INVESTIGATIONAL DRUG, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCT OR DEVICE TO AN ELIGIBLE PATIENT WITHOUT RECEIVING COMPENSATION.
2. REQUIRE AN ELIGIBLE PATIENT TO PAY THE COSTS OF OR ASSOCIATED WITH THE MANUFACTURE OF THE INVESTIGATIONAL DRUG, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCT OR DEVICE.
C. THIS ARTICLE DOES NOT REQUIRE A HEALTH CARE INSURER TO PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR THE COST OF ANY INVESTIGATIONAL DRUG, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCT OR DEVICE. A HEALTH CARE INSURER MAY PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR AN INVESTIGATIONAL DRUG, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCT OR DEVICE.
And, to top it all off, the law prohibits the state medical board (or any other state regulatory board) from going after the license of any physician or health care practitioner who recommends and/or administers such investigational agents to patients while making any state official or employee who attempts to block access of an eligible investigational drug to an eligible terminally ill patient potentially guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor. If the bill passes both chambers in Arizona, it would next go to the voters in November. My guess is that if the bill makes it onto the ballot this fall, it will likely pass. I can picture the ads now. They’ll feature cute, terminally ill children and brave adults battling fatal diseases invoking their right to choose what goes into their body and begging voters to “give them a chance to live” and asking, “What’s the harm?” Against such images it will be hard for science-based medicine to prevail.
Currently, similar laws are wending their ways through the legislatures of multiple states, including Colorado (of course!), Missouri (where legislators recently listened to emotional testimony and the bill is sponsored by a legislator, Jim Neely, whose daughter suffers from stage IV colon cancer), and Louisiana, while states as disparate as Utah, Oklahoma, Massachusetts, and California are showing early interest in such laws. The draft laws under consideration are basically all based on the Goldwater Institute’s template (indeed, the Arizona law is almost verbatim the same), which is based on this policy report available on the Goldwater Institute’s website, deceptively entitled Everyone Deserves the Right to Try: Empowering the Terminally Ill to Take Control of their Treatment.
The report itself is loaded with emotionally charged language about the FDA and terminally ill patients and highly dubious statements. For example, it’s hard not to notice that every experimental drug is apparently “potentially life-saving,” at least the ones that made it through phase I trials. There’s so much loaded language, coupled with so many dubious assertions, that I can only hit the “high” points, such as they are. For instance, the Goldwater Institute bemoans the expansion of FDA authority in the 1960s by the Kefauver-Harris Amendments that required that the FDA not just to demonstrate safety but efficacy as well. This expansion of FDA power was in reaction to the thalidomide debacle, leading the Goldwater Institute to make the rather bizarre (OK, very bizarre) argument that because the issue with thalidomide was a safety problem, not an efficacy problem and because thalidomide was never approved in the US (mainly due to the FDA, let’s not forget), the expansion of FDA power in response to the thalidomide debacle was “unwarranted”?
Another highly dubious argument follows:
Phase I involves administering the investigational drug to a small group of 20 to 80 volunteers to test for toxicity and immediately observable side effects.30 The major emphasis of Phase I testing is safety. Over 60 percent of investigational drugs in Phase I testing are deemed safe enough to move on to Phase II.
Seriously? Phase I trials can be as few as 20 patients. That is not enough to determine safety, nor is it intended to. Phase I trials are designed primarily to identify major side effects and to use a process known as dose escalation to determine what is commonly referred to as the “maximum tolerated dose.” It is utterly impossible for such a small clinical trial to determine the safety of a drug, and even the Goldwater Institute inadvertently undermines its own argument. Note how the report says that over 60% of investigational drugs pass phase I testing and are determined to be “safe enough to move on to phase II.” That’s the standard: No unexpected major adverse events and a side effect profile that isn’t grossly more unsafe than the disease itself. Phase II and Phase III trials are needed to confirm safety. That’s why the premature diffusion of unapproved drugs has the potential to increase morbidity from adverse events and even hasten death. One example is amonifide for treating breast cancer. The drug made it through phase I trials, but serious life-threatening hematologic toxicity emerged during phase II trials.
Think of phase I trials as a screening test looking for the most obvious toxicities, with phase II and III studies confirming them. Indeed, even phase III trials can’t always adequately demonstrate that a drug is safe; it’s not uncommon for less common adverse effects not to show up until post-marketing surveillance, when much larger numbers of patients receive the drug. Moreover, only 5% of all cancer drugs that enter clinical testing are ultimately approved for patient use. Among drugs tested in phase II trials, only 30% go on to phase III.
The Goldwater Institute also doesn’t like the current expanded access programs, not because it doesn’t like expanded access programs, obviously. (After all, what are “right to try” laws other than much more liberal expanded access programs?) No, what the Goldwater Institute doesn’t like is the current system because of all those nasty regulations. Under current law, the Food and Drug Administration Modernization Act (FDAMA) of 1997, single patient INDs (we’re discussed these before in the context of Stanislaw Burzynski patients), which are basically compassionate use exemptions, can only be granted if:
- The patient’s physician determines the patient has no comparable or satisfactory alternative therapy;
- the FDA determines there is sufficient evidence of safety and effectiveness to support the use of the investigational drug;
- the FDA determines that provision of the investigational drug will not interfere with the initiation, conduct, or completion of clinical investigations to support marketing approval; and
- the sponsor or clinical investigator submits information sufficient to satisfy the IND requirements.
- the sponsor of the investigational drug must also be willing to supply the drug to the patient.
If all of these conditions are met, then the treating physician or drug sponsor submits an IND application, a proposed treatment plan, and a commitment to obtain informed consent from the patient and permission from the Institutional Review Board (IRB). No one denies that the process could be more streamlined. The report lists some of the burdens of the IND process and bemoans the FDA’s veto power over single patient INDs. Here’s what’s particularly disturbing about what the Goldwater Institute advocates, though, is its attack on the FDA’s requirement for a full IRB review of single patient IND applications as being a bad thing that keeps patients from accessing drugs. The language sounds as though it could have been written by Stanislaw Burzynski himself. Particularly Orwellian is the part of the report that demands that legislators must “act to protect patients.” I don’t know about you, but I’m not sure how, basically, stripping all restrictions on letting patients have access to drugs that have passed only phase I trials “protects patients,” but then I’m not a libertarian.
The Goldwater Institute justifies its proposal through still more dubious assertions. For instance, the report starts out with patient anecdotes in which patients with terminal cancers exhausted all conventional therapies and then applied for experimental therapies, which they either couldn’t get or had to wait too long to get. In each case, the stories are told in such a way as to suggest that “if only” these patients had had access to experimental drugs sooner they might have survived. This is, of course, nonsense. All these patients had stage IV cancer. Barring the incredibly unlikely possibility that an experimental drug is a miracle cure for advanced cancer even better than Gleevec for chronic myelogenous leukemia or than what the quacks claim in Tijuana for their treatments, these unfortunate patients would have died anyway. True, if the drug were effective, they might have gotten a few more weeks or months, but they would have died. Using such stories is nothing more than tugging at the reader’s heartstrings. It is not a good scientific argument.
Actually, there isn’t a single good scientific argument in the entire report. There’s a survey of orthopedic surgeons cited in which a majority of them have said they thought that the slow FDA approval process had hurt patients. This is well nigh meaningless for a discussion like this one because (1) most orthopedic surgeons don’t take care of cancer patients (orthopedic oncology is a subspecialty, and, fortunately, orthopedic malignancies are rare) and (2) orthopedic surgeons are much bigger into medical devices than drugs. Moreover this survey is bundled in a table with other with results of other surveys that range from 1995 to 2007. Finally, the reference cited is from the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a free market “non-profit public policy organization dedicated to advancing the principles of limited government, free enterprise, and individual liberty.” I will admit that I’m a bit disappointed that between 68% and 73% of physicians would support a proposal to change FDA law so that unapproved drugs or medical devices could be made available to physicians as long as they carried a warning label about their unapproved status.
Wow. Talk about a boon to pharmaceutical companies! Why bother with those pesky and expensive phase II and phase III trials if you could market your drugs direct to doctors to use on patients after phase I trials instead?
Now, given how bad an idea this law is, here’s the funny thing: It almost certainly won’t do what it is designed to do. The reason is simple. It’s nothing but state laws, and the FDA controls drug approval. Arizona can say as much as it wants that patients can get any investigational drug they want, but it’s meaningless as long as the FDA says that you have to have a single-patient IND approved for patients to have access to an investigational agent outside the auspices of a clinical trial being undertaken to win approval for the drug, what the state says is meaningless. Because the FDA exercises a lot of its power through the federal government’s power to regulate interstate commerce, perhaps the only way I can imagine for a state to get around this would be if the pharmaceutical company is in the same state as the patient. If the company ships an investigational drug across state lines in violation of federal law, it’s screwed. Of course, even this might not be enough, because a lot of states have a “mini-FDA” act, which bans the use of drugs that haven’t been FDA-approved. Indeed, the only reason Stanislaw Burzynski managed to get away with administering antineoplastons to patients early in his career is because at the time Texas didn’t have a mini-FDA act, and Burzynski was very careful never to ship antineoplastons across state lines.
Even more pertinent, drug companies need their drugs to be FDA approved to recoup their investment in drug development and make a profit, because without FDA approval they can’t sell the drug. The Arizona “right to try” law requires that the “investigational drug” (1) have passed phase I trials and (2) still be in the clinical trial process. There’s only one reason for a drug to be still in clinical trials after phase I trials, and that’s because the drug company still wants FDA approval for its drug; i.e., that it hasn’t abandoned development. That means the investigational drug is still under FDA regulation. A single patient IND would still be required. Pharmaceutical companies providing drugs to patients in “right to try” states without proper INDs would be violating FDA regulations and would thus endanger their chances of ultimate FDA approval. In other words, these “right to try” laws are nothing but feel-good placebos. They have no real effect because reputable pharmaceutical companies will not cross the FDA by providing an investigational drug to patients without a proper IND. That means that they only companies that might take advantage of “right to try” laws would be disreputable companies like Stanislaw Burzynski’s institute. Like Burzynski, “right to try” laws offer nothing to cancer patients but false hope. In fact, I’m hard-pressed to think of anyone whom these laws would benefit other than Burzynski, which makes me wonder if his minions have anything to do with promoting them.
Worse, making essentially untested drugs more widely available, as these “right to try” laws propose to do will be far more likely to harm the individual patient than to help him. Advocates of these bills ask, “What’s the harm?” I’ll tell you: If there’s anything worse than dying of a terminal illness. It’s dying of a terminal illness and suffering unnecessary complications or pain for no benefit and having to pay for the medications causing the complications yourself. Remember, these laws allow the pharmaceutical companies to charge for their investigational medications. They don’t all necessarily require the company to provide the drug for free, as current law does in the case of single patient INDs. For example, as discussed before, the Arizona law doesn’t require drug companies to provide the investigational agent for free; the Colorado bill is being amended to have that requirement by its cosponsor Janak Joshi.
Worse, Dallas Buyers Club-style “right to try” laws risk undermining our entire clinical trial enterprise, which is a major part of the scientific basis for evidence-based medicine. After all, if early stage experimental drugs were made widely available outside of clinical trials and taken for a wide variety of cancers, the signal-to-noise ratio would become very low. It would become very difficult to tell which drugs were working and for which cancers (and which were not), particularly since it would be reasonable to expect that such a policy would result in enrollments in clinical trials plummeting. And what would be the potential payoff for the shredding of patient protections proposed in these bills, even if the FDA didn’t put the kibosh on widely providing experimental drugs early in clinical testing (and, make no mistake, only having passed a phase I trial is early in clinical testing)? Very little at best, if even any at all. In reality, the likelihood of saving the lives of even a handful cancer patients by giving them access to early-stage investigational agents is quite low and hard to justify on a moral and practical basis, given the high likelihood of potential harm or premature death to so many other patients through the damage or destruction of a system that has been built up at such cost over several decades.
The entire justification for “right to try” laws also seems to rest on a misperception that there are “miracle drugs” out there that we will have to wait years for because the FDA is too slow to approve them. However, if there really were such a “miracle drug” that was amazingly effective compared to anything we have now, a large randomized phase III trial would not be necessary to detect its efficacy. Indeed, its efficacy could show up in even a small phase I trial or, at the latest, in phase II trials. There’d be examples of clinical trial subjects demonstrating amazing tumor shrinkage or even outright cures. In reality, we don’t see these things in Phase I trials, because there are no miracle drugs, at least not yet (if there ever will be). Dallas Buyers Club-style “right to try” bills rest on a fantasy, and it’s a fantasy of false hope. Indeed, these bills serve an ideological purpose rooted in libertarian politics far more than they serve patients. It’s not coincidental that virtually the only sign of opposition to the Missouri “right to try” bill was from lobbyists representing the hospice community, who warned lawmakers that such legislation raises false hopes for patients when further treatment is likely futile.
These bills seem new, but they’re just the latest wrinkle on an old story. We’ve been down this road before. For example, the Abigail Alliance has been lobbying for similar “right to try” laws for a decade now. Libertarians love these bad ideas because, you know, the market cures all. So does the press because of the human interest stories coupled with the “little guy” battling the FDA. Even though expanded access programs could definitely use some tweaking, never forget that the reason the laws we have exist is to protect the public against drugs that don’t work or are too toxic and, just as importantly, from companies that would sell such drugs with no evidence of efficacy or safety and from “investigators” like Stanislaw Burzynski.
And Dallas Buyers Club is just a movie, nothing more. It might be a really great movie (given its Oscar nominations and McConaughey’s winning Best Actor, it almost certainly is), but it’s a terrible model for health policy and highly unlikely to help patients with terminal diseases.
ADDENDUM: Jann Bellamy has written about “right to try” laws from a legal perspective.
77 replies on “Dallas Buyers Club-inspired “right to try” laws: Good movies don’t make good policy”
Uh-oh. Batten down the hatches.
“we don’t see these things in Phase I trials, because there are no miracle drugs”
Imatinib (Glivac) for CML?
Exactly my point. Results like what were seen in three early stage phase I/II trials for Gleevec in CML are incredibly rare. In fact, before Gleevec, such results were unprecedented:
And Gleevec was an unusual drug from a mechanistic standpoint as well because CML depended upon a single mutation that it could target:
If there’s a drug that’s shown as incredible a result in an early phase I trial as Gleevec, I am unaware of it. Again, that’s the point. Gleevecs of the world are rare, but Dallas Buyers Club “right to try” legislation rests on the assumption that they are much more common than they are and that thousands of patients with terminal cancer would be saved if only FDA officials weren’t such prigs about insisting on evidence of efficacy and safety.
Gleevec/Glivac/Glivec, Yeah very rare event but marvelous. I agree this is the exception to the rule. Ph chromosome gone completely – wow.
Along with “what do you have to lose?”, I consider it a thought-stopping cliche. It’s not hard to come up with a list of things to lose:
1. Inheritance that could be passed along to the patient’s loved ones instead of wasted on a lottery ticket treatment.
2. Palliative comfort for spending quality time with loved ones.
3. Palliative lucidity for tending to final affairs and last wishes.
4. A head start for all those involved to grieve and accept the inevitable, rather than be trapped in a state of denial because some greedy ghoul promises a miracle cure. It saves them the emotional whiplash of going from news of alleged improvement to “suddenly” dealing with a death.
5. A peaceful death, as opposed to one wracked with morbid side effects.
6. The chance to turn their loss into a positive contribution to our knowledge of medicine. As Orac pointed out, without a clinical trial setting, the noise drowns out the signal of any treatment that did indeed work. The spin quacks and drug marketers perform also sow mass confusion for those who don’t know how to do proper scientific research.
I could probably come up with a few more over time. It didn’t take me long to think of these, which is pretty much why they need the thought stopping implication that there isn’t anything to lose.
Speaking of the typical trollish libertarianism, I think that’s how a lot of them think science advances. They often seem to think we’re still in an era where overnight breakthroughs that fundamentally change how we view the world are still likely. Like the free energy device in Atlas Shrugged.
It’s sad to say we’re past the era of such exciting and “easy” breakthroughs. Specific to medicine, the human body is an intricately complex set of interactions that can go wrong in so many ways, and there are about 7 billion different variations on the design out there. We’ve got all the broad brush strokes down, and we’re left with very nuanced problems that need nuanced solutions obtained through careful observation. That’s not exactly something you can expect to stumble on through brute forcing, and yet they want to encourage patients to blindly gamble on it.
One thing I find frustrating and entertaining about all the anti-regulation rhetoric is that the people who spout it don’t seem to realize that what’s good for their pet quackery is also good for encouraging the abuses they attribute to pharmaceutical companies. If you legalize reckless, unregulated, unscientific human experimentation, you’re removing an important incentive for the greedy members of pharmaceutical companies to restrain themselves. Regulations exist so that they have to prove safety and efficacy just to put a drug on the market in the first place. Before that, they have to go through the trouble of satisfying ethics regulations on human experimentation to find out if it works. Remove those prerequisites, and all they need to make a profit is a slick propaganda campaign. Altie culture has already proven the propaganda approach works.
@ Bronze Dog
Ah, but that’s different, they are the good guys. They won’t allow themselves to stoop to that level of chicanery.
After all, bad things only happen to other people, isn’t it?
(yes, sarcasm inside)
If you look at the change.dot.org website, you’ll see how the success of The Dallas Buyer’s Club film, has given new impetus to the many petitions for release of cancer drugs in phase I clinical trials. When the cancer patient dies from their terminal disease, it is the fault of those mean bastards at *Big Pharma* and at the FDA.
@Helianthus: Definitely a common attitude. Black and white thinking makes it so easy to think of people as either monolithic angels or demons, rather than diverse and conflicted humans.
Speaking of movies with bad medical lessons, I recall seeing a preview for one. The premise appalled me: A high school student from a rich family has a psychiatrist(?) who’s disturbingly eager to throw pills at any stated problems of the day. The student, knowing this, plays psychiatrist and pharmacist for his not-so-rich classmates: They tell him their problems, he claims to experience those problems to his own psychiatrist, and gives the students the pills. I think it’s implied he does some light research on the field so that he can control what the psychiatrist dispenses.
There’s the obvious practice of medicine without a license by a high school student to complain about. On top of that, is the issue of the psychiatrist’s competence and his role as a straw man for people to rail against the science of psychology and neurology. If a psychiatrist is such a quack that he’ll frequently dispense new prescriptions for problems seemingly without regard for what he’s already prescribed, would you trust him to be able to solve other kid’s problems by proxy while being ignorant of the deception that’s being played on him? I would hope that such a psychologist would get in deep trouble for his prescribing habits.
Addendum: Wouldn’t the pharmacists who fill all those prescriptions start to get suspicious when they see how many drugs he’s allegedly on?
“Among drugs tested in phase II trials, only 30% go on to phase III.”
And the number one reason they fail PhIII? Yep, lack of efficacy (Nature Reviews Drug Discovery, v10, 87).
(Being in PD Biomarkers, that article gave me a lovely quote to use when I’m pushing for biomarkers in trials: “The way to improve Phase III success rates is to avoid wishful thinking and to rely on high-quality scientific evidence by fully testing mechanisms against each target indication, using well-defined end points in the right patient population in Phase II trials.” Which, to the point of this post, requires the trials be done…!)
Orac hit on one of the huge flaws in this legislation: what’s the point of completing the clinical trials process? Sure, there’s the benefit of being able to actually market the drug, but drop a word here or there and you can get people clamoring for the drug without the marketing. Money saved on advertising, tons of money saved on those pesky, and very expensive, clinical trials. If the legislation weren’t so quack-friendly, I imagine that all those people terrified of Big Pharma would be up in arms protesting the bill.
Also, if I recall my Regulatory Affairs education correctly, when AZT came about, AIDS advocacy groups pressured FDA to approve the drug before it had completed clinical trials. FDA caved and the patients got what they were asking for: an effective drug that was insufficiently tested but riddled with adverse side effects. They admitted afterward that they jumped the gun and that, just maybe, it should have gone through more testing before it was released to the market. This is from memory, so I may be a little off, but I’m pretty confident.
Wouldn’t these right-to-try laws lead to all kinds of litigation after some optimist tries something, fails to thrive and then they (or their heirs-and-assigns) try to sue the hind legs off the drug company and/or the FDA?
There’s another motivation in the shadows: this would be a been to create an industry sector of Burzinksis.
For a moment, stop looking at this from the perspective of gullible patients. Look instead for the organisms that will adapt behaviour to feed on the newly unguarded flock. Flock of willing fools, a terminal disease is highly effective to soften up the average mark.
I sometimes wish I’d entered the pharmaceutical industry in the 50’s, when all the low-hanging fruit was still available for discovery…
Isn’t this awfully reminiscent of the John Birch Society and the Committee for Freedom of Choice in Cancer Therapy (aka Committee for Freedom of Choice in Medicine) and the push for Laetrile in the 1970s? http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/laetrile.html
I’m a cancer patient and my cancer won’t ever be cured. I can’t begin to describe how naive and insulting this legislation is from my point of view. It’s an invitation to abuse people who have more than enough problems already, with absolutely no consequences to the abuser.
Excellent point. When I repost a modified version of this post on my not-so-secret other blog, I’ll have to add a couple of sentences mentioning this.
Not directly related, but it would be nice if we could encourage a little more of this kind of support for cancer patients.
The entire justification for “right to try” laws also seems to rest on a misperception that there are “miracle drugs” out there that we will have to wait years for because the FDA is too slow to approve them.
Or, if you are prone to donning tinfoil headgear, you may think that the FDA is in cahoots with Big Pharma to suppress such “miracle drugs”.
while making any state official or employee who attempts to block access of an eligible investigational drug to an eligible terminally ill patient potentially guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor
Does this include the IRB members who are required by Federal law to evaluate the criteria? Many medical schools are attached to state universities, making those professors arguably state officials. (At least in my state, state university employees are considered state officials whenever it is convenient for the state to so consider them.) In states where this legislation passes, IRBs could be unable to comply with both state and federal law.
I did see the movie. As fiction and drama it is well made. As science it is pretty weak. I don’t know whether the depiction of the federal agencies is historically accurate or not, and it would be nice if somebody here could clue me in. The depiction of the doctors is fairly one dimensional, with the lead researcher being shown as a mercenary jerk, with his female assistant being shown as a saint in training, and with a defrocked American doctor running a Mexican clinic shown as scientifically superior to the medical experts in the US.
The movie contains fairly explicit attacks on the pharmaceutical industry, particularly in terms of AZT being pushed as a profit center.
There’s absolutely nothing in the picture about the development of scientific knowledge about virology, about the development of protein structure determination, or how real science led to the protease inhibitors. The movie was a snapshot of a period not long after the disease was discovered and the virus identified. There is a plot line that argues that AZT is so toxic that many AIDS patients died of drug toxicity rather than the underlying disease. I believe that the film’s authors believe that and I would like to ask whether there is any truth to this assertion.
It’s curious how the two lead characters go down opposite paths in their disease progression, with the Woodroof character seemingly robust and vigorous after his initial brush with an early death. It’s only in a final title card that the film reveals Woodroof’s death at 7 years following his initial diagnosis.
As to the “right to try” law, I wonder if it would be possible to have some variant in which people who are not eligible for clinical trials could get onto some medication that is being used in a clinical trial. When I looked at the story of the drummer’s wife who has a rapidly progressing brain tumor, it became obvious that the clinical trials are aimed at children. She and her husband would like to maintain some level of hope, and it seemed to me at the time that the FDA could allow her to try some treatment that has some rational chance of helping, and simultaneously deny the Burzynskis of the world any chance to peddle their snake oil.
@Johanna: Re lawsuits — I don’t think so. The law is pretty strict about rejecting lawsuits that are filed after the statute of limitations has passed, and the courts are pretty good about rejecting lawsuits that involve violating some previous agreement to accept risk. If I understand correctly, there would have to be a finding that the informed consent was based on a falsity, or that the drug company intentionally withheld important information about risk. Since the forms include general warnings about all sorts of risks including death, it seems unlikely that any such action would succeed.
@Bob: I read this just after I saw the movie, as I was also curious about the accuracy of the depiction of the FDA and of the story line in general. http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/11/01/dallas_buyers_club_true_story_fact_and_fiction_in_the_matthew_mcconaughey.html
The movie was well made, and McConoughey gave an excellent performance which stood out against his previous romantic comedy roles. But the movie had a 1985 ideology leaving out important facts. Fact 1 was that AZT has actually been pretty darn effective and was approved very rapidly after six months in the first clinical trials. In the film, the character uses DDI which is a very similar drug with a similar spectrum of activity and toxicity. The response of the scientific community to the appearance of AIDS was in fact amazing and very successful. Of course, every journey into the unknown has some misteps, but the AIDS story is one of triumph of the system. I was at a meeting when Magic Johnson announced his HIV status, and my colleagues and I thought that he was doomed to die within about six months based on our past experience…this was in 1991. I am retired now, but I still run into old AIDS patients; they are on the stairmaster next to me at the gym trying to keep their weight down! The movie missed the story; it is a story that shows the system working. AZT has played a huge role in saving lives.
Here are some other articles criticizing the history and facts as presented in Dallas Buyers Club:
Mayim Bialik (known for endorsing anti-vaxxers, homeopathy, and homebirth) cited Dallas Buyers Club as a reason for why she endorsed one of the petitions for antineoplastons and Burzynski https://www.facebook.com/official.mayim.bialik/posts/10153635921890008
For those who don’t know what Mike is talking about with respect to Mayim Bialik’s quack tendencies:
So sad for a PhD neuroscientist to be so prone to quackery.
I’ve worked for pharma companies, and I can’t imagine them wanting to just ship clinical candidates off willy-nilly to people who ask for them. The companies need the data from clinical trials to get approval, so they don’t want to compromise clinical trial enrollment; and they don’t want liability concerns (and it’d be difficult to argue the validity of any waiver of right to sue in the case of a drug with just Phase I data – “informed” consent??). And no pharma company will want to put its clinical candidates in the hands of a Burza, profiteering on the helpless: it needs doctor goodwill, or at least doctor credibility down the road. It’s a lose-lose. Real compassionate use, real single-patient INDs, OK – “suck it and see”, no way.
Long time reader, first time poster… I really like your blog and appreciate the incredible energy on these topics. I find your analysis okay here but I also think you should consider:
(1) this legislation is probably least important to oncology, where there are already huge incentives for Big Pharma to develop and approve new medicines, i.e there are clear clinical endpoints, relatively short trials, surrogate imaging biomarkers, handsome financial rewards for even minor improvements in clinical standard of care, etc. This type of trial-and-error seems much more useful for pursuing less sought after clinical endpoints, or maybe things like sarcopenia that aren’t necessary even readily accepted as a clinical endpoint by FDA;
(2) People with sarcopenia or clinical endpoints that take longer to test of course aren’t “terminal”. So it seems possible that “right to try” legislation might actually be most helpful if extended beyond “terminal” patients;
(3) Yes, this type of legislation could “change the rules of the game”, and open the unsuspecting public up to charlatans. Yes, it appears Pharma could to some extent get away with selling drugs before they’ve really proven safety and efficacy and so there would be some disincentive to pay for and conduct rigorous Phase II/III studies. But, markets do work, and changes to market structure can really work, especially when market participants are aware of when the rules of the game are being changed and how they’re being changed. Passing this type of legislation in Colorado or a few states and seeing the FDA allow them to be implemented would definitely change the market dynamics, but I don’t see how anyone could tell what the long-term impact would be. State laws are the laboratories of democracy, and if there is any measured/responsible way this could be done in the US (rather than it occurring through overseas medical tourism), it would likely be done in some very similar way to what is now being proposed… limited roll out in select states first.
(4) Consider for a moment that having FDA-approved drugs available sooner in select states and backed by decent science, although not perfect, could provide a respectable outlet that actually acts to crowd out snake oil salesmen… e.g. if you’re one prone to experiment on yourself, you move to Colorado where you at least can experiment with quasi-legit medicine, instead of being forced to settle for almost guaranteed to be worthless nutraceuticals. My two cents!
State laws are the laboratories of democracy
When the same legislative changes pop up on the agenda of half-a-dozen states simultaneously, perhaps it’s more accurate to call them “the lab rats of lobbyists”.
Totally off-topic, and I apologize in advance, but for those who liked Matthew McConaughey’s work in the film, “True Detective” is riveting.
Herr Doktor @27 — The great Charles Pierce, the main political commentator on Esquire.com — has a recurring feature called “This Week in the Laboratories of Democracy”, featuring (of course) boneheaded legislative initiatives from various states — “Where the real work of governmentin’ gets done!”.
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You point out that imatinib was a miracle drug. Yet it is poor example to support right-to-try. Imatinib was approved by the FDA based on the phase I trial. See study here. See FDA approval notice here.
So this is actually an example of why right-to-try is not needed for miracle drugs.
imatinib = Gleevec = STI571
(Apologies– I’ve trained myself to use generic names.)
if you’re one prone to experiment on yourself, you move to Colorado where you at least can experiment with quasi-legit medicine, instead of being forced to settle for government approved safe and effective medicine.
I just wanted to outline some of careless/false statements you made in this post.
“According to these laws, the drugs need only have passed phase I trials.”
Phase I must be complete, and trials must be ongoing.
“There is always an inherent conflict between wanting to push for faster approval of drugs in order to treat patients who are dying and the need for rigorous testing to assure safety.”
You are right to some extent, but mostly only if you consider that the FDA creates this conflict by requiring RCTs to be conducted on dying patients for drug approval. Bayesian analysis would lead to quicker, more accurate results because a lot more than 3% of patients would be able to try the treatments.
“Patients and their families ask, “What’s the harm?” while advocates like Corieri sell their policy with the assumption that experimental drugs are highly likely to help these patients, or at least not so unlikely as not to be worth trying.”
In the hearing in Missouri, no dying patients or caretakers said “What’s the harm?” They said that they thought themselves (or their dead children) would have preferred to try an experimental treatment after they ran out of FDA approved options. Also, can you show me where somebody has said that the experimental drugs made available through this law are highly likely to help these patients?
If I had a 1% chance of dying, I’d (reasonably) be scared as hell. About 13% of new oncology drugs go on to be approved. That number is higher for the Right To Try drugs, because they have already moved into phase II. Why is it wrong or unscientific for a cancer patient to want to try a new drug that has a (non-negligible) chance of helping them?
Furthermore, I’ve witnessed plenty of oncologists convincing patients to enroll in trials based on “promising early results”. Hell, I’ve seen a doctor totally flip that speech around when a patient asked if she could get an investigational drug outside of the trial so she didn’t have to risk getting placebo.
“And, to top it all off, the law prohibits the state medical board (or any other state regulatory board) from going after the license of any physician or health care practitioner who recommends and/or administers such investigational agents to patients”
No. The law prohibits the state medical board (or any other state regulatory board) from going after a physician’s license based solely on the physician’s recommendation to an eligible patient regarding prescription for or treatment with an investigational drug, biological product, or device.
I’d appreciate it if you’d be more cautious when writing about these matters in the future.
“Passed phase I trials” means phase I must be complete. Seriously, did you bother to read? Also, while it’s true in Arizona that trials must be ongoing, not all versions of these laws require that. Note the plural “laws.” Of course, if you want to be pedantic, you could have said that I should have said “proposed laws” or “bills.”
Also, the FDA does not always require RCTs to approve (or fast track approve) drugs. The aforementioned example of Gleevec, for instance. There are also drugs that have been fast track approved based on phase II trials that weren’t strictly randomized trials. I realize you’re a newbie here, but it’s not as though I haven’t discussed this before several times while discussing, for example, Stanislaw Burzynski.
You do realize, don’t you, that this doesn’t even make sense. Just because 13% of drugs go on to be approved does not imply that a drug that’s only passed phase I has a non-negligible chance of helping, particularly when administered outside of the carefully controlled auspices of a clinical trial.
How about I cite the Arizona law itself, verbatim, given that’s what I was clearly discussing when I wrote that?
“NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A STATE REGULATORY BOARD MAY NOT REVOKE, FAIL TO RENEW OR TAKE ANY OTHER ACTION AGAINST A PHYSICIAN’S LICENSE ISSUED PURSUANT TO TITLE 32, CHAPTER 13 OR 17 BASED SOLELY ON A PHYSICIAN’S RECOMMENDATION TO AN ELIGIBLE PATIENT REGARDING OR PRESCRIPTION FOR OR TREATMENT WITH AN INVESTIGATIONAL DRUG, BIOLOGICAL PRODUCT OR DEVICE”
Quite simply, my interpretation is demonstrably correct. Yours is demonstrably incorrect. And I’m the one who should be more cautious?
The FDA? No. The drug company, you bet your sweet bippy. Disparities in bargaining power are targets for the enforceability of waivers, and the proposed law above does not appear to make any provision for preemption of tort claims.
Encouraging patients to enroll in a clinical trial is the right way to go. Encouraging them to get the drug without going into a clinical trial jeopardizes clinical trials, which in turn jeopardizes drug approval, meaning fewer people would be able to get it in the long run.
Also, when it comes to terminal illnesses, placebos are generally considered unethical. Instead, an active control is used; generally that’s whatever the current gold standard approved treatment is. The only time a placebo would be used is if there was no other treatment at all for the disease or condition.
I completely agree. It was just that Orac stated that miracle drugs don’t exist.
Imatinib to work just had to disable one aberrant protein which is unusual. However there might be more out there.
I would actually really appreciate it if Orac or someone with a similar science-based background wrote a post on Dallas Buyers Club. Bob G provided some interesting insights above but I haven’t really read much that discusses the films factual accuracy from a scientific perspective.
I saw it a few weeks ago, so my memory is a little hazy. It is a well made film and I can understand the critical reaction to it. But….it really came across as anti-evidence based medicine, whilst promoting the role of the lone crusader sticking it to the system. Obviously in the case of the main character, but also the guy in Mexico with his offbeat personality and mish-mash of supplements and the doctor with a conscience who quits (Hilary Swanks character). It also seemed to portray RCT’s as a cold and uncaring approach to establishing whether a treatment works or not whereas just taking a load of anything without knowledge of efficacy, side effects, dose control etc. is the way to go.
Perhaps I’m overreacting. But I can imagine an audience leaving the film thinking good for him for sticking it to ‘Big Pharma’. In fact my girlfriend said ‘see, his supplements worked!’. Despite there being a bit of text at the end saying ‘Oh AZT was effective at a low dose and saved millions of lives plus Ron died 7 years after the diagnosis’, which to me seemed to undermine the overall narrative of the film.
The problem I have is that, as a well-made and critically respected film, it has the potential to distort people perspectives regarding the era and what the medical communities role really was. I’m not saying it was perfect. In fact it probably wasn’t. But I would be interested in reading a take on the film that explores its portrayal of the science at the time, it’s success, failures and complexities.
The only good which might come out of this experiment would be if the patients involved were intensively (and consistently) monitored, with well-trained nurses taking blood/urine/etc samples and logging vital signs and other developments. Family members saying, “Granny seemed to get better around the second week but then the cramps started again” won’t help researchers or other patients.
The most useful change in testing policies that comes to my little (lay) brain would be expanding phase II & III trials so that more could participate. Of course, that would require subsidies, and thus either increased deficits or (gasp!) making billionaires pay taxes at rates comparable to us plebes. This would face relentless opposition from Goldwater Institute flacks and their fans, medical progress be damned.
Out of curiosity. How hard is it to get into a Phase II or Phase III clinical trial? I guess the problem with actually being in a trial is that one might get the placebo.
Don W, you can read the requirements for thousands of clinical trials at http://clinicaltrials.gov/. The requirements vary widely depending on the purpose of the trial. I think the common denominator for the people who would want a “right to try” is that many trials require that the patient be expected to live for a certain number of months — long enough to collect meaningful data. Depending on the chemical involved, they often require a certain minimum level of liver function, kidney function, etc. There are generally specific reasons for those limitations — if a patient is on the brink of liver failure and you know the chemical is a liver toxin, most doctors wouldn’t use it in patients who are likely to be thrown into crisis. If the patient already has atrial fibrillation doctors won’t use a chemo that exacerbates the condition. It’s often not simply a question of whether it will kill the patient or not — it’s an issue of causing pain and suffering until death. The Phase I safety evaluations are conditional — my liver, heart, and kidneys are very healthy so far, so I’m not limited in the chemotherapies I can use. A year from now my situation may be very different. It troubles me that these proposed bills seem to allow any physician to recommend things with no check on their expertise.
Which is ethical and sensible when one might be better off with the placebo. Some drugs do bad things.
(And incidentally control arm is usually placebo+standard of care, so nobody receives less than standard; in fact, placebo and blinding are not even needed when survival is the endpoint)
“Right to try” = right to lie. The floodgates of snake oil salesmen are always brimming with potential pathways for eschewing Federal guidelines regarding levee safety. A deluge of opportunists will invariably ensue.
Why I love BigPharma-
Interesting links, anon.
Do you wish to explain the relevance they have to the current topic, or are you under the impression that as soon as you’ve said “Here’s Big Pharma doing something bad”, every suggested alternative magically becomes a good idea?
Anon seems to have problems expressing what he means in complete sentences, or staying on topic.
#45 Watchdogs for both are ablsolutely necessary.
#46 Chris, did I not read about curries, thai ,wines and other gustatory delights on another blog??? I’m sorry you have difficulty with my posts. I recommend you ignore them.
Watchdogs for both what are absolutely necessary?? Your behavior is very rude; you want us to consider your opinion and conclude that it’s right, but you can’t be arsed to do more than copy-paste a few links and leave us to figure out the connections you think we should follow you in drawing?
As for the issue of going off-topic, there’s all the difference in the world between following the conversation as it drifts onto a pleasant or interesting side-topic, and trying to artificially *force* a change of topic. If we had already been talking about other misdeeds of pharmaceutical companies, or other ill effects to society produced by our current IP laws, then your contribution would be on-topic. As it is, however, it comes across as you essentially saying “I want to stop the current discussion, because I want to talk about Big Pharma being the villain instead! It doesn’t matter if you have something to say about how Hollywood likes to sell a narrative of ‘underdog who fights a cruel and unfeeling system’ and how that narrative can feed people’s distrust of systems which are, in fact, actually trying to protect their best interests! I want to talk about how Big Pharma is bad, bad, bad, and you have to defer to my choices in this matter!” If you truly can’t see the difference between the two, it means you really have no idea how rude you’re being.
I think this is on-topic, actually: does anyone have more information about what’s going on in the case of Josh Hardy? http://www.digitaljournal.com/life/health/op-ed-drug-company-responds-to-josh-hardy-s-case-with-a-no/article/375149 I oly heard of this for the first time today; a number of people I care about have already gotten emotionally on board with the ‘the drug company could easily save this child’s life, but they won’t just because they’re greedy bastards’ narrative. Knowing how easily such narratives spring from misunderstanding of the whole process, I’m hoping that someone can explain whether that’s really what’s going on or if there’s another side to the story.
The fact that they used the now-discontinued EAP as promotional copy doesn’t cast Chimerix in the greatest light.
They also pitched the earlier emergency INDs to investors.
I’m absolutely in favor of the principle of “right to try” type laws. Largely because I think people should have the right to be stupid and injure themselves due to their own stupidity.
Trying to protect people from their own stupidity just makes people mad. Protect people from *other people’s* stupidity, certainly, but allow people to injure themselves due to *their own* stupidity.
Frankly, I’d rather go back to the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1909 regime, under which drugs had to be what they said they were, but if you were fool enough to buy cyanide and take it, well, that was your problem.
Orac, I wonder if you’ve considered this public policy point. Should we allow people to injure themselves (as opposed to others)? I say yes.
“After all, if early stage experimental drugs were made widely available outside of clinical trials and taken for a wide variety of cancers, the signal-to-noise ratio would become very low. It would become very difficult to tell which drugs were working and for which cancers (and which were not), particularly since it would be reasonable to expect that such a policy would result in enrollments in clinical trials plummeting. ”
This is your only valid argument here. Accordingly, a sensible law would allow access to any drug which does *not* have funded clinical trials. Eh?
“If there’s a drug that’s shown as incredible a result in an early phase I trial as Gleevec, I am unaware of it.”
There’s a number of “pre-modern” drugs for various classes of illness, used efficaciously by physicians for long periods prior to roughly 1930, with pretty impressive results, which have never undergone any studies due to the fact that they can’t be made profit centers.
The current idea in vogue is to make them profitable by allowing companies to claim exclusive rights to them just for going through clinical trials. You must know that this is ridiculous and ends up reducing access.
There’s got to be a better method of funding clinical trials. For instance, direct government funding. Do that, and the clincal-trial-funding concerns about letting people use dangerous, untested drugs evaporate.
“They often seem to think we’re still in an era where overnight breakthroughs that fundamentally change how we view the world are still likely. ”
It’s happened fairly recently in math & physics, and also chemistry.
It doesn’t happen in medicine due to the nature of biology.
The only permanently-accurate broad generalization in biology is the theory evolution, and the way evolution works means that you won’t *have* any other accurate broad generalizations.
But this has *always* been true of medicine — we never get grand revolutionary discoveries which give a great, broad picture. Even the theory of germs only accounted for *some* diseases (hello, arthritis!). Even antibiotics only worked for *some* diseases (even fewer). It isn’t actually a change, it’s always been like this.
This is the sort of simplistic analysis which makes me immediately conclude the author is guided by ideology rather than evidence. There are researchers who dream of fame and glory. There are insurance companies who crave ways to cut the costs they pay when their customers’ health suffers. The idea that the treatments are out there just waiting to be rediscovered but that no one is following up on this obvious promise because no one could have a motive other than “I want a treatment I can sell for beaucoup bucks” is just blind cynicism fooling itself that it’s wisdom.
What would you consider to be a “fairly recent” “overnight breakthrough” in mathematics or physics?
I’ll settle for any “breakthrough” whatever in the latter category.
Nathanael says there are drugs from pre-1930 which were effective but are not used or tested. Drugs commonly in use before 1930 that had no major harmful effects were grandfathered in to the Pharmacopeia. He may be unaware of the NCI’s chemical libraries of 140,000+ natural and synthetic compounds (total) which are regularly screened against cancer cells and other diseases. http://scs.illinois.edu/htsf/compound_collection/nci.php Universities and nonprofits use these libraries, not just for-profit companies. I’d be curious to hear about just ONE pre-1930 drug effective against disease or condition which is no longer in use today, that is better than current drugs or has fewer side effects. In other words, is this a real argument or a plausible-sounding bit of hot air accepted because it bashes BigMedicine(tm)?
I am guessing that most people here are pro-choice and should grasp that people have some right to control their own bodies.. for better or worse. I’d suggest that there should be a high barrier to straying from that concept to give government control over choices that should be up to the individual. I’ll note that on the issue of treatment choices I am firmly in the scientific medicine camp and opposed to the nonsensical “alternative” treatments you folks debunk. The cause will be won however through educating the public, not through trying to use the legal system to impose our approach.
It doesn’t make sense to push government to infringe on rights in ways that can come back to haunt you if those you hate are ever in control. Despite lack of scientific basis for alternative treatments, their providers tend to have political clout in part because not enough of the public is scientifically literate. Consider a thought experiment (even if it is fortunately never likely to happen), what if one day alternative medical providers had control of government policies and dictated the FDA approve only remedies they approve of and outlawed many treatments we’d approve of?
Even if they don’t go that far and merely have some ant-science types in the FDA, try exhibiting some empathy and placing yourself in the position of someone who is well informed and wishes to try a treatment but aren’t allowed to because of some anti-science politician that tried to make it harder for pharmaceuticals to be approved.
Part of the problem today is that the FDA is badly run, in part since it is a monopoly, so it takes a long time even for good treatments to be approved. You folks have the fantasy we can get a competent science based medicine FDA and government if we just wish hard enough and try to convince them using reason. Economists who study how governments work in reality (rather than naive fantasies of how we wish they did) suggest that is unlikely. (e.g. see regulatory capture theory, which won George Stigler his nobel prize, which argues special interests tend to control regulation by default (which slows down approval of new drugs, to benefit existing drugs). Public choice theory which won James Buchanan his nobel and which he described as “politics without the romance” also argues that government benefits special interests (including alternative med types) not necessarily the general interest). Unfortunately studies show most people are economically illiterate, and many who push sound medical science push junk economics and dismiss rational economics out of hand in your desire to believe in a fantasy model of a government that acts in our interest. Jefferson noted we hadn’t found angels in the form of kings to govern us, and today we haven’t found angels in the form of politicians and bureaucrats.
Competing private safety approval agencies would speed up the process of drug approval, with perhaps options like providing insurance backing up their assertion of safety to provide them with added incentive to get things right.
If someone is dying and wishes to try a treatment you don’t approve of, what right have you to prevent someone from putting whatever they wish into their body? Aren’t they more likely to get solid medical advice if they can choose to do so legally with a doctors advise rather than being forced to go underground and no risk talking to a competent doctor? It may be that you have science on your side, and that the bulk of treatments people wish to try are nonsense, but obviously there is a chance some new treatment will be found that will help.
People seem to forget that this is supposed to be a free country, no matter how much you would prefer to force everyone to do things the way you wish as benevolent dictator. You can argue “but more people will be harmed by granting people freedom”, but that is ignoring that individuals are supposed to have rights, including the right to make stupid decisions, and the right to save their own lives. Jewish members of the ACLU defended the right of neo-Nazis to march since they grasped that even those you despise should be granted rights. What if some group were in power that despised you and wished to take away your rights, like the right to use pharmaceuticals you approve of?
re: “Because the FDA exercises a lot of its power through the federal government’s power to regulate interstate commerce”
People should ask themselves why a constitutional amendment was needed for alcohol prohibition, yet magically the FDA these days gets away with banning whatever it feels like. The answer is that the constitution’s meaning has been distorted over time to usurp authority the federal government wasn’t intended to have, and was understood not to have for most of this country’s history. . Many people today seem unaware that the commerce clause was part of the constitution to prevent trade barriers from being enacted between states. The connotation at the time of “regulate” was to “make regular”, and the connotation of “commerce” was trade. It has been unfortunately distorted to allow micromanagement of the production of goods that are traded, which is outside of the act of “commerce”, i.e. trade itself.
When the constitution was passed there was a great deal of debate over it since the states were wary of giving away more power to a central government. There is little chance they ever would have approved a constitution they thought would allow the level of federal micromanagement of the country that that exists today. The Constitution should be amended to grant the federal government new powers, not ignored as it has been. The idea was to leave most power in the hands of the state&local governments who could compete and learn from each other to see what approaches work best.
Unfortunately many people try to suggest we have a “living constitution” and should just go with the flow. Pragmatically we may need to live with it, but we can still argue to try to change that approach over time. The problem with letting the courts get away with granting the federal government powers you like is that they may also grant it powers you don’t like, such as perhaps letting a future religious right controlled government impose their views, censorship be imposed, more spying on the public, and various other infringements of rights. A “living constitution” is a dead constitution since if it can mean anything, it means almost nothing and can’t be viewed as a safeguard for the rights you do value. The power you wish the government to have to infringe on rights to do things you like could be misused someday by a government composed of people who wish to do things you don’t like.
Just as many alternative medicine types dismiss strawman versions of science they don’t really understand (often mocking science which seems counter-intuitive to them), many who don’t understand economics and business dismiss simplistic strawman versions of concepts they don’t understand. People that bash junk science sometimes seem to fail to consider that they may be pushing emotionally appealing junk economics, refusing to grasp that real economics can be counter-intuitive.
re: “Libertarians love these bad ideas because, you know, the market cures all. ”
Economically illiterate people often push bad policies because they refuse to learn that government doesn’t cure all. Despite the strawman above, educated libertarians grasp that neither markets nor government cure all.
This nationally prominent GMU economics professor (who gets published in places like the Wall Street Journal) has a blog post referring to the problem of junk economics, including on the part of some high profile economists that are comparable to what a Dr. Oz would be in the medical world:
To assume or to suggest (as do many economists) that governments operate more ‘perfectly’ than do markets is no more scientific than to assume or to suggest that, if your child is seriously ill and medical doctors cannot guarantee that they will cure him or her, a local witch doctor can be trusted to supply the desired cure….
The theme of Jim’s talk was that it is not only intellectually sloppy or lazy but, in fact, deeply unscholarly and unscientific for economists today to ignore public-choice analyses of political decision-making. …
Stated differently, Jim presented powerful evidence from several current economics textbooks that an embarrassingly large number of such texts – many written by the world’s most acclaimed economists, such as Paul Krugman – are surprisingly naive and unscientific. The authors of these texts pretend to write about reality, but they instead write about a fantasy world. Far too many economists, such as Krugman – because they either ignore or are ignorant of public choice – simply assume that government somehow is not affected by the many imperfections that these economists readily find in markets. As Jim said, this continuing ignorance of public choice is embarrassing to those economists who do think seriously and realistically about their discipline and about the reality that that discipline aims to illuminate.”
Can I have chips on the side with all that copy-pasted spam?
Re: Josh Hardy
The company has just announced that it will supply the drug. Apparently the face saving compromise they were willing to make was to call it a 20 patient open label trial.
Re: the CafeHayek story linked by CommonSense Boulder: What a total strawman argument the writer is making! The complaint is that textbook writers are not lauding free markets in the same light as they make a plea for government actions when markets fail. It seems to me that the standard economic textbook spends about the first half describing how markets work according to the balancing of supply and demand, and deriving various corollaries starting from that point. It’s not exactly a novel point to suggest that markets provide a certain definition of efficiency and that you can correlate this efficiency with other results.
That is a useful field of study to learn, but it has nothing much to do with the fact that some efficient markets exclude whole classes of people from participation. One of those fairly efficient markets is private health insurance, which finds through its underwriting function that a substantial fraction of applicants should be denied on economic grounds.
That is an example of a market that operates efficiently according to classical economics, but would be considered to be immoral by many of us. Government intervention can change the rules of that market — thereby making it less efficient in the classical sense and definitely less libertarian — but will cause the market to serve the uses of lots of people who otherwise would be excluded.
Shorter version: The CafeHayek article is kind of stupid.
Another reason the article is stupid: Professional economists like Krugman spend entire careers debating the right way to tinker with the economy using governmental tools. It’s implicit that there is no perfection in this approach, but rather an attempt to focus in on an increasingly improved process. The post-WWII success of Keynesian approaches to suppressing recessions speaks well for this approach, and it’s obviously still being refined.
The argument that the FDA is bad because it is a “monopoly” and can regulate anything at all is absurd*. First, the FDA is an agency created by law with a clear mission, not a self-created company selling a service. It’s a bad analogy. Second, the mission of the FDA is very tightly limited by law- it cannot inspect or regulate supplements (unless they make a clear medical claim to cure illness). It cannot inspect meat & poultry, that’s DoAgriculture. Third, food and drug inspection cannot be set up in a for-profit competitive environment. The standards would fall to the minimum possible, compromising safety- not the minimum allowable by law, but whatever they could get away with, as a means to maximize profit. There would be an inherent conflict of interest to get business. Furthermore, the public would not know which competing stamp of approval meant a product was actually safe to eat or effective to use. Some of the existing quite valid criticisms of the FDA are due to the fact that it’s funding is partly coming from user fees. Other criticism is that it is not funded to a level where it can fully do its’ job. (*Most gLibertarian argument against government regulation is similarly absurd.)
re: “First, the FDA is an agency created by law with a clear mission, not a self-created company selling a service. It’s a bad analogy.”
It isn’t a bad analogy. Read my comment above about most people being economically illiterate. The FDA is subject to problems like regulatory capture in addition to being a monopoly. Competition works better than monopoly provision of services, despite the fantasies of some that if they just wish hard enough that a monopoly is guaranteed to do a great job. Jefferson wrote long ago that we hadn’t found angels in the form of kings to govern us, nor have we found angels in the form of bureaucrats and politicians.
re: “Third, food and drug inspection cannot be set up in a for-profit competitive environment. The standards would fall to the minimum possible, ”
Contrary that poorly informed comment, there are arising global private safety standards due to the low level of standards in many countries. It is bad for business to make your customers sick. Private competing safety certification labels would gain business by earning the trust of doctors and insurers. If they lose that trust they lose business. They might also compete by offering insurance against being wrong, paying out if they are.
re: “inherent conflict of interest to get business”
There is an inherent conflict of interest with revolving doors between the FDA and the private sector, and many other avenues of government failure that economists have discovered. In contrast if things are handled competitively then if a certification company seems to be in the pocket of a drug company and to be making bad decisions, they will need to pay out.
re: “Furthermore the public would not know which competing stamp of approval”
So then you can tell them, and they can decide if the believe you. The stamps of approval can be rated by others. They will have incentive to point out flaws in other stamps of approval.
re: “that it is not funded to a level where it can fully do its job”
A manager in every entity, public or private, has incentive to try to increase their budget to gain status, make their job easier, provide perks to their staff to be liked, etc. In the private sector the pursuit of profit, and competition to lower prices, counterbalances those incentives. In the public sector there is no competition to indicate how much it should cost to do its job, so costs tend to constantly rise (in contrast to the private sector which becomes more productive over time).
Certification labels can use fees from the products they certify for funding, with insurance on the results to ensure they have incentive to be accurate despite the source of funding. If they aren’t accurate, insurers won’t trust them and won’t reimburse for products they certify, and then products won’t come to them to get certified since no one will buy their product.
[…] do great mischief to the law, either through their use of their tragic stories to promote misguided “right to try” laws or through their use of patient stories to pressure the FDA to loosen protections on human subjects […]
I’m a pharmacologist/toxicologist. All drugs are not the same. What about a “right to try” an anticancer drug effective in animal models which:
1) Unlike the usual poisons, shows no toxicity in animal trials, even at fairly-high doses. In fact, animals treated with it live longer than the controls.
2) Attacks a fundamental process that both forces and maintains the cancer cell at a very basic level.
3) Comes from the NCI (among other places)
4) Neuroprotective and prevents radiation-induced cancer.
5) The subject of more than 1600 papers over more than 30 years of work. Including some human trials.
6) Drug companies are reluctant to fund because of a lack of sufficient patent protection.
7) Cheap and, per NCI, “Off-the Shelf”
Personally, If I had cancer, I would like the opportunity to try such a drug, ‘just in case”.
Another example is riluzole for glutamate-receptor-positive melanoma. Presented randomly, naturally . A very beleivable scientific rationale with lots of in vitro studies,, pretty good safety, and a “phase-0” trial that showed possible efficacy. To treat a really, really deadly disease..
Yeah, I know riluzole has regulatory approval for ALS, so any doc can use it off-label. But what if this were not the case?
[…] and speculate. To me, this bill sounds as though it could be a lot more problematic than the “right to try” bills I discussed not too long ago. Those bills, as I mentioned, are state bills. They […]
[…] “health freedom” Alliance for Natural Health (ANH) was supporting a federal “right to try” bill, I thought it would just be a one-off post about Burzynski, his allies, and the human toll exacted […]
[…] and speculate. To me, this bill sounds as though it could be a lot more problematic than the “right to try” bills I discussed not too long ago. Those bills, as I mentioned, are state bills. They don’t […]
[…] the subject of one or more clinical trials.” In other words, it’s very much like one of those “right to try” laws that are such a horrible idea but nonetheless popping up like kudzu in state […]
[…] However, several states want to short circuit this system and allow terminally ill patents to try “investigatory” methods that have not completed the full cycle of trials. The thinking is that there are effective drugs stuck in the testing phase and the process may take too long for people sick today. However, this ignores the fact that most drugs aren’t shown to be effective by the time they end the full trial process. Also, the “right to try” laws focus on drugs that have only passed the Phase I testing, which is problematic because those trials don’t necessarily find all the complications or side…. […]
It’s a Libertarian thing????? You don’t know anything. Pretty good that there’s so many opinions, when you have no clue about the shit that you’re spewing on here. I’m dying & should have the right to take whatever I want. So lets weigh this out, it might hurt or kill me hmmm, I’m dying soon anyways. If it works, well that’s a 100% tbetter hen I ever had. 1% better would be worth it. Anyone against it hasn’t ever had death starring you in the face. I’ll guarantee almost everyone against this law is a Liberal, always thinking you should be in control over everyones lives & your ideas have been destroying America. You sneak in by using the same line, it’s for your safety. I pray my state passes this law. If you haven’t been given a death sentence, SHUT THE HELL UP.
Kelly- I’m so sorry to hear about your prognosis, and I’m wishing you a full recovery.
The question is: Should we return to an age where any snake oil salesman (well meaning or not) can sell who-knows-what to desperate patients such as yourself? I certainly hope not.
There is a line between trying something that may work and being the victim of someone who preys on the dying.
Kelly, I think you have the right to take whatever you want. But I don’t like the idea of con artists preying upon the desperate. There are people who will happily lie to you in order to get your money, and that I think is despicable.
[…] to access through traditional channels. Currently, three other states, Missouri, Louisiana, and Arizona are close to passing similar legislation. As written, the bill provides terminally ill patients […]