I realize that nearly two weeks ago I said I’d try to get back into regular blogging and that I’ve thus far failed. I suppose I should thank Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for the constant stream of horrors that he’s inflicting on public health in his new role as Secretary of Health and Human Services. No, I’m not going to thank him, but he did just do something yesterday that roused me from all the distractions that had been keeping me from delivering the regular doses of Insolence, both Respectful and not-so-Respectful, lo these past few months. What did he do? Yesterday, he fired all 17 members of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). I will admit that I had been long predicting that RFK Jr. would tamper with ACIP somehow, perhaps appointing antivaxxers as the terms of current members ended. Clearly, I suffered a failure of crank imagination, as I had only briefly considered, only to quickly reject, the possibility that RFK Jr. might fire everybody at once. As I said at the time, I don’t think RFK Jr. would eliminate ACIP, even though he could. I was (probably) correct about that. I was also correct in predicting that RFK Jr. might try to subvert ACIP and bend it to his own antivax ends, but, again, mea culpa. I underestimated his audacity. You’d think I’d know better by now, having written about his antivax quackery, misinformation, and conspiracy theories for nearly 20 years now.
Even. worse, RFK Jr. got the compliant right wing lackeys running the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal to let him publish his announcement in an editorial, saying that he’s doing it all in the name of “restoring public trust in vaccines” and to “avoid conflicts of interest.” I suppose that it’s fitting that the editorial is behind a paywall. Fortunately, I have Apple News, which let me read the whole putrid wall of text for your edification. RFK Jr. being RFK Jr., naturally he tries to deflect the blame:
Vaccines have become a divisive issue in American politics, but there is one thing all parties can agree on: The U.S. faces a crisis of public trust. Whether toward health agencies, pharmaceutical companies or vaccines themselves, public confidence is waning.
Some would try to explain this away by blaming misinformation or antiscience attitudes. To do so, however, ignores a history of conflicts of interest, persecution of dissidents, a lack of curiosity, and skewed science that has plagued the vaccine regulatory apparatus for decades.
No, “to do so” is entirely right and proper. Who but RFK Jr. himself has had an outsized role in undermining public confidence in vaccines over the last 20 years in the US? Seriously, he’s a giant in the field of spreading misinformation and antiscience attitudes that undermine public confidence in vaccines. It’s what he does. It’s what he’s done for two decades. So are lying and breaking his promises, as RFK Jr. had had promised Sen. Bill Cassidy that he would not tamper with ACIP:
In early February, when there was still some question as to whether or not the Senate would confirm Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, Sen. Bill Cassidy delivered a closely watched speech on the Senate floor. The Louisiana Republican, a physician by trade, not only endorsed the anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist during his remarks, he offered assurances about the future.
“If confirmed, [Kennedy] will maintain the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices — without changes,” Cassidy declared with confidence, pointing to assurances he’d received directly from RFK Jr.
This cartoon comes to mind:

Or, to go a bit meme-crazy, when it comes to RFK Jr. and the decline in public confidence in vaccines, I’m reminded of this classic meme:

If I were better at Photoshop or using AI prompts, I’d have created a version of this meme with RFK Jr.’s face in the hot dog suit. In any event, having falsely claimed that it was “conflicts of interest,” rather than exaggerations and misinformation about “conflicts of interest” and vaccine science spread by the likes of RFK Jr. that were responsible for the decline in public confidence in vaccines, RFK Jr. proposes his “remedy”:
That is why, under my direction, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is putting the restoration of public trust above any pro- or antivaccine agenda. The public must know that unbiased science guides the recommendations from our health agencies. This will ensure the American people receive the safest vaccines possible.
Today, we are taking a bold step in restoring public trust by totally reconstituting the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices (ACIP). We are retiring the 17 current members of the committee, some of whom were last-minute appointees of the Biden administration. Without removing the current members, the current Trump administration would not have been able to appoint a majority of new members until 2028.
That would have been so sad. Actually, ironically, I was very critical of the Biden administration for having let the membership of ACIP languish after the departure of some members and was actually happy that his HHS Secretary had appointed new members to bring it back up to a full contingent before President Biden left office.
Unsurprisingly, to bolster his false claim that ACIP is rife with COIs, RFK Jr. cites “investigations” dating back to 2000, the most recent of which was 2009:
In 2000 the House issued the results of an investigation of ACIP and another vaccine advisory committee under the U.S. Food and Drug Administration—the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee. It found that enforcement of its conflict-of-interest rules was weak to nonexistent. Committee members regularly participated in deliberations and advocated products in which they had a financial stake. The CDC issued conflict-of-interest waivers to every committee member. Four out of eight ACIP members who voted in 1997 on guidelines for the Rotashield vaccine, subsequently withdrawn because of severe adverse events, had financial ties to pharmaceutical companies developing other rotavirus vaccines. A 2009 HHS inspector-general report echoed these findings. Few committee members completed full conflict-of-interest forms—97% of them had omissions. The CDC took no significant action to remedy the omissions.
These conflicts of interest persist. Most of ACIP’s members have received substantial funding from pharmaceutical companies, including those marketing vaccines. The problem isn’t necessarily that ACIP members are corrupt. Most likely aim to serve the public interest as they understand it. The problem is their immersion in a system of industry-aligned incentives and paradigms that enforce a narrow pro-industry
It’s an old antivax claim that RFK Jr. has been peddling for years and years. That “investigation,” such as it was, was carried out by Mark Benjamin at UPI. Truth be told, it was one that I hadn’t seen before, but then 2000 was four years before I started blogging regularly about antivaccine propaganda. I read his “investigation” with the perspective of my more than two decades of having dealt with antivax propaganda, and I found it…typical. Benjamin cited multiple antivax activists; e.g.,Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) and Barbara Loe Fisher, founder of the Orwellian-named National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), whom I like to refer to as the “grande dame of the American antivax movement.” He rehashed the Simpsonwood conspiracy theory that claimed that at a CDC meeting in suburban Atlanta in 2000 the CDC “covered up” data showing that vaccines containing thimerosal (a mercury-containing preservative) were associate with an elevated risk of autism. No such thing happened.
In fact, in my first post that ever went viral, I deconstructed all the misinformation and conspiracy mongering shortly after, as did others, who noted that the entire Simpsonwood transcript was not at all consistent with any effort to “cover up” a link between mercury and autism, but rather included a debate about how best to deal with confounders in a study by Verstraeten et al. (Of course, to antivaxxers, any adjustment for confounders that eliminates a link between vaccines and whatever bad health outcome that they attribute to vaccines is always a “coverup,” not science doing what science is supposed to do and being rigorous.) Years later, I referred to this as the Simpsonwood conspiracy theory and, sometimes, part of the central conspiracy theory of the antivaccine movement, in which They (the CDC, government, FDA, medical profession, big pharma, and who knows who else—aliens, possibly) “know” that vaccines cause autism but actively work to cover up any incriminating evidence.
Let’s just say that I’m not at all impressed by the Benjamin report. I will give RFK Jr. credit for one thing, though. Notice what he wrote about Rotashield: “Four out of eight ACIP members who voted in 1997 on guidelines for the Rotashield vaccine, subsequently withdrawn because of severe adverse events, had financial ties to pharmaceutical companies developing other rotavirus vaccines.” In the past, antivaxxers would claim that Dr. Paul Offit, for instance, had a direct financial COI and had developed Rotashield. Personally, if anything, hearing this story I’d wonder if those with financial ties to pharmaceutical companies developing other rotavirus vaccines might have been biased against Rotashield. After all, their companies were making competing vaccines, and the first to market usually has a huge advantage. Seriously, RFK Jr. can’t even make sense in his insinuations of financial COIs from 28 years ago. Nor, apparently, can he back up his claims that ACIP members today are hopelessly compromised by their financial ties with pharmaceutical companies manufacturing vaccines, because of course he can’t.
Also, ACIP, as I’ve discussed before, has strict rules about conflicts of interest, and potential members are rigorously screened for such conflicts, and stringent measures are taken not only to assure technical compliance with ethics statutes and regulations regarding financial conflicts but also to address more general concerns regarding any potential appearance of conflict of interest:
People with specific vaccine-related interests at the time of application are not considered for appointment by the committee. Examples of such interests include direct employment of the can- didate or an immediate family member by a vaccine manufacturer or someone holding a patent on a vaccine or related product. In addition, before their names are submitted for final consideration, potential members are asked to resign for their term of member- ship from any activities that are, or could be construed as, conflicts of interest. These activities include provision of advisory or consult- ing services to a vaccine manufacturer or acceptance of honoraria or travel reimbursement from a vaccine manufacturer.
Members are required to file confidential financial reports every year with the Office of Government Ethics and to disclose publicly all vaccine-related interests and work, including participation in clinical trials, at each meeting. They must also declare conflicts at each meeting of a WG. Any single conflict, real or apparent, may serve to disqualify a participant from participating in a WG. WG members may receive confidential and proprietary information from the FDA or others to assist them in their discussions. When appropriate, they are therefore required to fulfill confidentiality requirements and, when required, sign non-disclosure forms prior to receiving such information.
If, despite all these safeguards, a conflict exists, limited waivers allow members to participate in committee discussions on con- dition that they are prohibited from voting on matters involving the specific or competing vaccine manufacturers. A member who develops an important conflict of interest during the 4-year term is required to resign from the ACIP.
It’s basically an antivaccine myth that the ACIP is totally corrupt and controlled by the pharmaceutical industry. I do suspect, though, that that will soon change given how many potential members favored by RFK Jr. have very real COIs through their financial connections to antivax organizations and the sale of supplements and various “treatments” for “vaccine injury.”
Unfortunately, in the intervening two decades since RFK Jr. took the Simpsonwood conspiracy theory, which had previously only been seen in the deepest, darkest recesses of the antivax movement, and popularized it in mainstream press, RFK Jr. has evolved from not just an antivax conspiracy theorist but to an all-purpose conspiracy theorist, embracing (of course) lab leak conspiracy theories, including one claiming that Ashkenazi Jews were immune to COVID-19 and SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes the disease, because it was an “ethnically targeted bioweapon.” As for being “not antivaccine,” I like to point out how since at least 2014 he was likening vaccination to the Holocaust, trying to persuade Samoan officialsthat the MMR vaccine was dangerous (in the middle of a deadly measles outbreak!), and claiming that today’s generation of children is the “sickest generation” (due to vaccines, of course!). Indeed, a few years ago his own family even called him out for his antivaccine activism, while, predictably, RFK Jr. has, as so many antivaxxers have done, gone all-in on COVID-19 pseudoscience and conspiracy theories and become anti-mask, “anti-lockdown,” and pro-quack treatments for COVID-19.
And now he’s HHS Secretary and gets to pick the members of ACIP.
Sadly, I’ve begun a bit of a grim game. I’m trying to predict which antivax loons RFK Jr. will pick to be on the reconstituted ACIP. Note that the rules governing the membership of ACIP require that, other than the consumer representative member, that its medical professional members have real subject expertise, described as “technically qualified people trained in a clinical medical field and possessing in-depth knowledge of vaccines and immunization” plus:
- Advanced medical degree (e.g., MD, RN)
- Board certification in area(s) of specialization
- Scientific knowledge of vaccines, immunization, and/or immunization programs
- Ability to interact actively and respectfully with other ACIP voting members, as well as ACIP ex officio members and liaison representatives, all of whom attend each ACIP meeting
- Willingness to take part in three regularly scheduled meetings per year, and any additional meetings that may be called
- Individuals must demonstrate expertise, comfort, and facility with active participation in deliberations of the ACIP during public meetings
- Willingness to participate actively in at least two ACIP work groups
- Willingness to review and give input on ACIP recommendation statements.
That means that most of the “experts” that RFK Jr. will choose to reconstitute his ACIP in his antivax image will have to be antivax doctors and scientists. That’s why I came up with a list of possibilities, presented in alphabetical order:
- Del Bigtree (a candidate for the lay or consumer representative, perhaps)
- Byram Bridle, BSC, MSc, PhD
- Christopher Exley, PhD
- David Geier (he might not fly because he doesn’t have an advanced degree)
- Tracy Høeg, MD
- Brian Hooker, PhD (a good candidate given his ties to RFK Jr.)
- Pierre Kory, MD
- James Lyons-Weiler, PhD
- William Makis, MD
- Paul Marik, MD
- Anthony Mawson, PhD
- Peter McCullough, MD
- Joe Mercola, DO
- Harvey Risch, PhD
- Bob Sears, MD
- Christopher Shaw, PhD
- Aaron Siri (another candidate for lay or consumer representative?)
- Mark Skidmore, PhD
- Sherri Tenpenny, MD
- Paul Thomas, MD
- Andrew Wakefield, MB, BS
Of course, there are only 17 slots on ACIP, and there are more people listed above. Not everyone will get in, and there are likely possibilities whom I haven’t considered. Here’s your chance to get the comments active again by commenting on the list above and suggesting others that RFK Jr. might appoint, possibly even worse members. I also realize that some of these people might not make the cut because they have lost their medical licenses or board certifications. On the other hand, RFK Jr. can bend the rules or possibly even change them if he wants. Either way, I bet I can update and recycle posts about each new antivax member that RFK Jr. appoints. It might even jump start my blogging again.
In the meantime, I hope you all are up to date on your vaccines. I have an appointment with my primary care doctor later this week, and I plan on telling him to hit me up with every vaccine for which I’m eligible and/or behind on. Finally, I predict that, as soon as the new ACIP is up and running, the CDC schedule will be shedding vaccines faster than antivaxxers think people vaccinated with COVID-19 vaccines shed spike protein. I’ve said it again and again, and people still don’t believe me. Never underestimate RFK Jr.s’ determination to eliminate access to all vaccines. He’s been antivaccine to the core for at least two decades, and nothing, no amount of evidence, will change his mind. He is coming for your vaccines. By 2029, he might well succeed in, for all practical intents and purposes, eliminating access to vaccines in the US.
98 replies on “RFK Jr. guts ACIP to pack it with antivaxxers”
Explaining to us he’s instituting radical transparency in a paywalled op-ed really gives the term a new meaning.
We should know soon enough who he has in mind: the committee is meeting June 25-27, and looks like the meeting is going forward.
I was wondering that. How can they organize an ACIP meeting with all new members in just two weeks? What about the public comment period?
The comment period is open, and I hope people submit both a request for oral comment and a written comment.
He already has people he’s appointing, I have heard.
Of course he has, and at least a few of them are likely to be on the list above, I bet.
Commenting in writing requires set up of an FDMS account. Should ordinary people with no medical qualifications write comments? Will registering on FDMS result in being targeted by the government? Since I’ve been to a few protests—all peaceful—and was almost certainly photographed, I probably shouldn’t worry, but with ICE and HHS wearing masks and grabbing people off the streets, it is a concern, even if I am an American citizen.
No need to set up any account to comment in writing. Go to regulations.gov. Here is the docket – click the comment icon at the top. https://www.regulations.gov/document/CDC-2025-0024-0001
Thank you!
Six months ago, Paul Thomas (at 18:00 in) stated he’d received a call to be on ACIP and also stated he’s going “to destroy it”. Sounds like he’ll be the perfect stooge for Kennedy, plus Thomas cares not at all about children dying from measles , pertussis, meningitis or COVID.
I hope anti-vaxxers realize the wrath they will incur taking vaccines away from the 90% of US families that do vaccinate. I would not want to be the objected of that wrath.
Having someone who lost his license for gross negligence and similar people would at least make it very clear and blatant what is going on. In some ways, it’s better than people whose problems are harder to show, like Dr. Doshi.
Yikes. Doshi. Of course! How did I forget about him? He’s definitely a candidate. He has just enough plausible deniability that he’s antivax, although barely.
since we’re clearly in “worst case scenario” territory:
2 humble suggestions of those that might make the list
paul alexander.
gary null.
I hope the next generation of iron lungs comes with wi-fi as a standard feature … maybe Tesla could corner that market. /s
“It’s all computer!”
I hope the list of candidates is meant as a joke for if they were ever selected then very soon there will be no confidence at all, in the US, in the vaccine industry
I am most definitely not joking. I will be very surprised if there aren’t at least a couple of the people listed above appointed to the new ACIP, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it’s way more than a couple.
The COIs should be interesting
Even as an ‘antivaxxer’, I have to agree that canning all of the ACIP members was quite a bold move. Considering how it might relate to his promised findings on autism causation that he is soon to announce, I would have to say, provaxxers be afraid. Be very afraid 😱 !
Look Fred, the only thing I’m afraid of is my patients are going to now not have vaccines and start dying from pertussis, measles and meningitis. But a whole lot of angry parents are going to be looking for all you anti-vaxxers if you do this.
One can only hope a whole lot of angry parents do this.
Thank you, Orac! When Kennedy is done cranking out studies about the dangerous of childhood vaccines, parents will be running from vaccines, and, belive me Chris, it won’t be us that they will be coming after. When that happens Chris, the ACIP committee may has well bolt the doors, and Kennedy firings of past members will be something to reflect on and rejoice about.
As I’ve always said, I’ll take my chances, unconcerned that my reputation will be worse than that of the antivax “MAHA” charlatans, quacks, and conspiracy theorists who are now in charge and rapidly destroying our public health infrastructure.
Make Polio and Smallpox Great Again!
You are 100% wrong Fred.
I will be coming for you anti-vaxxers.
How dare you take away my ability to protect my child?
What gives you the right to subject my child to risks you don’t face?
Again how do you know result beforehand. Lying Kennedy will produce Gish gallop with no scientific value.
“Thank you, Orac! When Kennedy is done cranking out studies about the dangerous of childhood vaccines”
Good studies are not “cranked out”, the fake stuff you like are. The “dangers” of childhood vaccines will still be lies, regardless of the scams the folks you idolize spew. The danger is that good people will believe them (it doesn’t matter that bad people like you believe them, you’d never do the right thing no matter what the science says).
Dr. Hickie, don’t ruin his channeling of Wednesday Addams.
“his promised findings”
Ooooh. Sounds like he knows the result before he’s done the studies. Pretty sure there’s a name for that….
Funny that you know result before research is conducted. Certainly no gold standard here,
Secretary Kennedy just made it clear he intends to take away vaccines from children.
And there’s no reason to believe him about the composition, either. https://x.com/seckennedy/status/1932580198198964241?s=46&t=N5tnpksb04CTBRbZtQag7g
JFC. He is lying, and he definitely intends eliminate access to all the vaccines he can.
Why are you guys still frothing at the mouth about this? Why worry about Kennedy eliminating access to vaccines when people might soon not want them? Imagine a recommendation coming from a new ACIP committee to the extent of, ‘While we do recommend these vaccines for preventing VPDs, parents, be aware that vaccinating your child will put them at increased risks of developing a permanent, severe, neurological condition. It’s your choice!”
They may not want them, because Kennedy and others did everything to sow doubt about them. People (and especially children) will die, get handicapped or just suffer because of this. But Mr. Kennedy doesn’t care, because he thinks those children deserve it.
Of course, the problem with such an outcome is that none of that nonsense you spout about “vaccinating your child will put them at increased risks of developing a permanent, severe, neurological condition” is true.
On the other hand I think some of the vaccine preventable diseases can produce permanent damage.
Well yes, dead children have no worries about developing any severe neurological conditions.
NOT vaccinating your child puts them at increased risk of developing a permanent, severe, neurological condition, and also increased risk of death. Do you really think it was better to have approximately 500 otherwise healthy children dying of measles–and many more suffering permanent injury like deafness, blindness and brain damage–before the vaccine became available?
“…be aware that vaccinating your child will put them at increased risks of developing a permanent, severe, neurological condition….”
No, no truth to that at all. But then facts are foreign to you so we’ve come to expect at least one falsehood in each of your posts.
People may not believe lying Kennedy, even if he is in gevernment
And now I’m starting to panic. (I was concerned and scared before but now I’m moving out of the thinking reaction and into the feelings-only reaction.)
Can he really do that? To the approved vaccines? Can he pull them off the market? Or just say Medicaid won’t cover them and hope that the insurance companies follow suit? Will they be available to the minority who can pay full price up front?
Or will we have to go abroad? (How do you go abroad for vaccines if you need the vaccines to enter other countries?)
So, one by one:
A. FDA removing licensed vaccines is not impossible, but legally requires a hearing and the company can challenge it. Doesn’t mean they’ll follow the requirements, but if they don’t, they are making challenges easier.
B. ACIP recommendations affect insurance coverage in three ways:
1. Private insurers are only required under the ACA to cover ACIP recommended vaccines. Doesn’t mean insurers won’t cover them, but they won’t have to.
2. Public insurers – medicaid and medicare – are tied to ACIP.
3. ACIP recommends which vaccines will be covered by the Vaccines for Children Program, which covers 40-50% of the nation’s children – uninsured, underinsured, Native Alaska and I think one or two more categories.
So by changing ACIP recommendations with a friendly committee, he can affect access.
C. VICP coverage is also tied to ACIP recommendations, so he can open litigation paths that way, too.
Is lying during confirmation hearings and side discussions with Senators a new strategy on the right? Does not sound very Christian of them.
What, no “inventor of mRNA vaccines”?
Robert Malone has had a falling out with much of the antivax movement and is persona non grata among large swaths of MAHA. I doubt they’ll pick him.
We all get to be wrong once in a while. Malone made the list, along with Kulldorf, Levi and Meissner.
I don’t recognise the others.
Vicky Pebsworth is a volunteer at NVIC.
More than a volunteer. She has, at least in the past, been a board member and active staff member. She used to go by Debold.
Ah. That would be why I didn’t recognise her.
Pagano I am guessing was chosen because of his opposition to Medicare and to Obamacare in particular.
Orac has compiled an impressive list of antivax cranks, some of whom are bound to be appointed as new ACIP members.
Additional ones who may be up for consideration include:
Richard Urso, a Houston ophthalmologist who’s gone full-bore antivax loon:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-923315012663
Joe Lee, another ophthalmologist and Lasik specialist, a nasty character who seems even more virulently antivax than Urso based on social media rantings
Peter Gotsche, ex-Cochrane Collaboration bigwig who turned antivax (especially targeting HPV vaccination) and has been gleeful on Twitter about the ACIP purge.
Jane Orient MD, AAPS executive director
Russell Blaylock MD
“Dr.” Henry Ealy
Benjamin Marble MD
Judy Mikovits PhD
Lucija Tomljenovic PhD
Yehuda Shoenfeld MD
A host of chiropractors and naturopaths masquerading as doctors (hey, they have “advanced degrees”), including the Disinformation Dozen’s Ben Tapper.
A large array of antivaxers competing for “lay” representation. Hey, Naomi Wolf is a “Dr.” (of English literature, but still)
Wonder how many of these bozos have already fired off CVs and videos to RFK Jr., urging their selection. Those left out might be…cranky.
I thought of Gøtzsche, but tend to doubt that he would be chosen given that he’s Denmark and, more importantly, doesn’t actually live in the US. Ditto Shoenfeld, being from Israel. Basically, other than Wakefield and a couple of Canadians, I thought RFK Jr. would be most likely to pick American antivaxxers. Actually, in retrospect, I think Wakefield being British might preclude him, although he does live in the US.
Jane Orient, or someone else from AAPS or other antivax fake medical professional societies, could well be a choice.
I just got a T-dap booster when I went to the city for supplies. I live in an isolated area where I’d have to make a long drive to get a tetanus shot if I hurt myself, plus pertussis is making a comeback in my state. The local clinic is only open three days per week and they don’t always have everything on hand. The EMT’s at the fire hall can’t do shots (who knew?). I only found all this out when a friend was helping me on my property and stepped on a large and very rusty nail. It went almost right through her foot! I had to drive her 50 miles for a shot as she had no idea when she’d had her last tetanus shot. RFK can just fuck off! He is a danger to humanity.
Perhaps Dr. Jay Gordon, an anti-vax pediatrician in Santa Monica will win an appointment.
Firing of highly qualified and capable people in many areas of government is truly terrifying. Not only does it rob us of their expertise, but by making people afraid, it increases the chances that people will acquiesce to what the dictator wants. Now we’re beginning to see members of the military ordered to attack protesters in Los Angeles. It’s starting to look more and more like a police state.
Dr. Gordon has consistently spoken up for COVID-19 vaccines, which ran him into quite a bit of trouble with his former fans.
Maybe Jay Gordon will be selected for ACIP to provide “balance”. And he’s never renounced a bunch of anti-childhood vaccine positions.
By having virtual sessions, the clown version of ACIP could easily accommodate international antivaxers.
I miss your cogent comments, Bacon. I’ve been away too long.
Jay
Proud participant in PfizerBioNTech Phase 3 BNT162b2 Covid 19 Vaccine Research, August 2020
“I’ve been away too long.”
But not long enough to clean up the antivax nonsense that’s still up on the blog portion of your website. It includes fact-deprived denigrations of whooping cough, influenza and rotavirus vaccines, including this gem about hepatitis B vaccination.
“I try not to give it to any kids. It does a very good job of preventing hepatitis B, no doubt about that, but it also hits the immune system pretty hard and possibly creates autoimmune problems. …Other relatively reasonable docs think that diabetes or lupus might be on the rise because of the HBV.”
“Creating the false security that unprotected sex is safer or that drug use is safer just opens people up to the possibilities of Hep C, AIDS or pregnancy.”
Promoting Covid-19 vaccination doesn’t let you off the hook for continuing to give bad advice to parents about other vaccines. It’ll almost certainly be enough to keep you off ACIP though. 😉
Indeed it will. All the names I recognise have been involved in COVID-19 minimisation or are anti-COVID 19 vaccines. It does strike me that Kennedy does not exactly have a free hand here and is getting pushback from someone on his anti-childhood vaccines crusade.
Jay Gordon, MD, FAAP
Proud participant in PfizerBioNTech Phase 3 BNT162b2 Covid 19 Vaccine Research, August 2020
Lot’s of scary stuff here: the brazen action of the universal firing, the length of the list of hypothesized replacements, all of whom are completely unqualified for the job (unless you consider having their nose up jr’s butt a qualification), the attack on vaccines and health in general this guy poses. We can only hope that the number of people as dishonest and uninformed as Fred in the general public is low.
Would whoever jr picks be the ones responsible to review his “study on the truth about autism? If so the already minuscule chance there would be anything valid in it would be reduced to zero.
ACIP’s job is to make vaccines recommendations, not general review of studies. It may come up in discussion of recommendations.
So they would look at his fake study and make recommendations based on that. We’re well on the road to being screwed.
IDW, I repeatedly shared that Kennedy doesn’t have to ban vaccines to undermine them. Educating the public about vaccines real risks will likely be sufficient at defeating the dogma, and people will turn against them in droves. Then there are also the expected reactions from vaccine makers? Do you think they won’t walk away if their products are deemed dangerous? This is even without Kennedy removing their liability waivers or putting autism as table-injury risk factor. Like I said provaxxers, be very 😨!
There goes that Queen song, again…
🎵 🎶
And bad mistakes (not being an antivaxxer, of course)
I’ve made a few
I’ve had my share of sand kicked in my face
But I’ve come through
🎵 🎶
C’mon my fellow antivaxxers! Don’t let me sing it by myself. Igor, JLB or Beth?!
🎵 🎶
We are the champions, my friends
And we’ll keep on fighting ’til the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
‘Cause we are the champions of the world
🎵 🎶
You are making jokes about killing children.
You are making jokes about killing babies.
You are a horrible person.
As usual, when fantasy (that vaccines are more dangerous than life-saving) collides with reality (that vaccines are more life-saving than dangerous) people will be confused and angry. And then after needless deaths they will be right back in favor of vaccines. Then enough time will pass, people will forget the horrors of the diseases vaccines prevent, future Andrew Wakefield and other charlatans will take advantage to sow doubt in vaccines for financial gain, and we will be on track back to where we are right now. The difference is that there will be a history to learn from.
Lying Kennedy has “educated” public very long time. Public may still no§tice his lies, as before.
His actual plan is to make NVCIP meaningless, and drop federal vaccine coverage.
Junior announced 8 of the new members. Robert Malone made the list. I didn’t spot any of our other suspects.
https://x.com/SecKennedy/status/1932899858920120692
I have never liked Dr. Malone.
He is a Covid denier and they are dangerous.
Hi Jay. How do you feel about RFK jr?
Martin “Great Barrington Declaration” Kulldorff’s on the list…
I would call this “MAFO”. Mess around and find out. Messing around, such as developing a deadly virus that killed millions, then dissembling about the virus origin, then making a vaccine based on mRNA technology with the reputation of utter failure, then forcing this vaccine on people when evidence was clear that the vaccine does not actually work, is called “messing around”. And now there is a consequences phase called “find out”.
I am glad that the corrupt ACIP members are out and I will not miss them even a bit. I hope they clear out VRBPAC also. I remember watching these meetings live in utter disbelief as to how they can ignore the obvious reality. But they did ignore it. Well now they are, fortunately, out.
And yes Peter Doshi would be a fantastic candidate. Not writing much more as the reply could error out due to “nginx error”
1) Covid did not come from a lab. It was a zoonotic disease.
2) The mrna vaccines were not an ‘utter failure’ they were pretty good for a first generation vaccine, having saved tens of millions of lives and counting.
Antivaccine activists are more than willing to share conflicting tropes and don’t even realize how inconsistent their stories are.
If the virus was so deadly,
A. Having any vaccines would be good.
B. If the vaccines didn’t work, people would still be dying.
ACIP members not agreeing with you does not make them “corrupt,” but I can see why you would want someone like Doshi, who, like you, is willing to misinform others to oppose vaccines.
A antivaccine endorsement is a warning sign about any candidate.
I agree with you that having a vaccine that works would have been fantastic. If the vaccine worked, the vaccinated people would stop the virus from hopping from person to person to person, and vaccinated people would not die from Covid.
Sadly, the Covid vaccine was not of THAT kind. It was a scam. ACIP and VRBPAC played a major role in perpetrating that scam upon the public.
Regardless of that, millions of people died, thanks to certain scientists who developed Sars-CoV-2, and tough measures are overdue to prevent something like this from happening again.
Covid pandemic short circuited brains of very many people, who turned the situation into a virtue signaling show. People literally think that being a “good Democrat” now means demanding to have every known vaccine forced upon every person. That signals their good Democratic virtue. But it actually signals refusal to think about anything.
Some vaccines work. (example, the measles vaccine). Some do not (many others, like the flu and Covid vaccine). Each vaccine has a fantastically interesting history. I hope that MAHA will help untangle this situation and uncover evidence of which vaccines do not actually work.
I also hope that MAHA will also do something about people being fat. Your humble servant, unfortunately has a tendency to get fat and I dieted nonstop for the last 20+ years. My BMI is currently 27, but would probably be 40 if I did not diet, which costs me a great deal of effort. I hope that they find out finally what it is that makes people want to eat more than they should.
“I also hope that MAHA will also do something about people being fat”
If it could do something about being dishonest — dealing with people like you Igor — that would be a major help.
Who is paying you to spread Doritoganda?
“Messing around, such as developing a deadly virus that killed millions”
I’ll take “Igor pushing a line of bullshit that never happened for $1000”. Are you really down to a single foolish conspiracy theory Igor?
“I am glad that the corrupt ACIP members …”
Since there is no evidence of corruption (you seem to mistake intelligence, experience, and integrity for corruption) your line of comment there is just as stupid as your conspiracy.
I do not believe in very many conspiracies, partly because most of them are difficult to fact-check and some are clearly false.
The Covid origin conspiracy theory is very easy to fact-check and yes, it is true.
“ The Covid origin conspiracy theory is very easy to fact-check and yes, it is true.”
It has been fact checked. The evidence is strongly against it. Of course, it’s scientific evidence, and you are a hard core science denier, so …
And we should not forget your equally asinine conspiracies about the UN and Bill Gates. It’s pretty much impossible to think of anything you’ve said about science that was correct, except its spelling, and you probably have it written on a piece of paper for reference.
So fact check it. Tell us who created COVID19,and why.
“The Covid origin conspiracy theory is very easy to fact-check”
Hmmm. I think its your conclusions that are the problem. Your theories are along these lines: This guy said he’d like to buy carrots. His wife said that they did not need carrots. Then some wild cabbages were found in he same city. Obviously the cabbages were really carrots, grown by Bill Gates with the express intention of forcing meat eating Americans to eat healthy.
Isn’t mr. Kennedy now involved in a ‘healthy’ diet?
Repeating a lie does not make it true. Tell us who, exactly, developed COVID19 ? And why ? You keep changing your mind on answers.
Thanks for the unintentional comedy Igor
We should all be glad that them corrupt ACIP members with conflicts of interest (!) have been purged, to be replaced by people who took $$$ to testify as “expert” witnesses in litigation against a vaccine maker, sit on the board of a major antivax organization or publish bad antivax literature.
So glad that conflicts of interest are gone and Science can triumph.
I live in Colorado, and in the online “newspaper”, known as The Colorado Sun, June 12th, 2025 edition, was the headline “Colorado doctor fired by RFK Jr. from federal vaccine committee”: ‘This decision is really going to undermine public trust’: https://coloradosun.com/2025/06/12/edwin-asturias-acip-vaccines-rfk-jr/
It is about Edwin Arturias, M.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Epidemiology at University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus. And he found out about his firing, and those of his colleagues by reading the WSJ op-ed. Let’s honor these seventeen individuals who have made such a signficant contribution to public health through their vaccine advocacy and expertise.
It’s astonishing that RFK Jr. has avoided utilizing the talents of Mike Adams, first in not hiring him to do his fabled vaccine-autism study. Who better than Mike, who already runs a World Class Lab and has impeccable batshit credentials dwarfing those of David Geier?
And now, leaving Adams off the first part of the new ACIP lineup.
The burn must be enormous.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/sudden-and-unexpected-thursday-july?r=9f7pt&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
What is the point, expect that you never cite scientific literature-
Perhaps he wants to deport everyone who doesn’t agree with RFK jr. to that place.
Just to be clear, did he just write a post supporting a concentration camp marketed with the idea of feeding detainees to alligators?
At least it looks like it. He refers to an article about it.
The article delves into a speculative analysis of recent economic and health data, hinting at a potential “iatrogenic catastrophe.” It points to a 40% stock crash for Centene Corporation, a major health insurer, after it withdrew its 2025 guidance. This was attributed to “devastating new actuarial data” indicating that Centene’s Affordable Care Act enrollees are sicker, costlier, and fewer than anticipated, leading to an unexpected $1.8 billion loss. The article notes that Centene’s customer base, heavily targeted for vaccine outreach, could be disproportionately affected if there were long-term adverse effects from mass vaccination. This is further supported by a historical drop in Social Security payments starting in 2025. The author suggests that the simultaneous decline in Centene’s risk pool and Social Security payouts could indicate a correlated disappearance of individuals from both systems. Additionally, the article highlights significant stock price increases for major deathcare providers like Service Corporation International and Carriage Services since 2021, coinciding with the “jab rollout.” The article concludes by suggesting that these combined indicators could be early warning signs of a widespread “iatrogenic catastrophe,” implying that a large segment of the population may be experiencing subclinical health issues or long-term health destabilization due due to a medical intervention.
Everything is caused by the vaccine, even badly managed insurance companies? Your sources need some actual data.
And still, the whole first part of that blog post is about extolling a concentration camp, before he gets to the conspiracy theory that even he admits is speculative.
And still, the first – very lengthy – part of his post is about singing the virtues of a concentration camp, before he gets to the conspiracy theory that even he admits is speculative (and reminder: you point out that the customer base is made of seniors and people on low income, who are more likely to be out and about and suffer from poverty-related health conditions – and there was a pandemic with a virus that’s especially hard on seniors and those with comorbidities; but of course, you would not consider whether the virus could lead to more deaths and health problems; in your world, only vaccines harm?).
I think it’s fair to stop at the point where you work to justify concentration camps.
Here are the word linking the “points” of JLB’s screed.
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with no data mentioned. Sounds like proof.
Actual financial analysts say that healthier patients leaves Centene for cheaper premium, leaving sicker ones:
https://www.marketbeat.com/originals/why-centene-stock-dropped-40-and-whether-its-a-buy-now/y
If you want mandatory health insurance, everybody must have same premium. There is no reason to believe that Centene’s customers others. more vaccinated than others.
Medicaid cuts do not help either
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